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MojaveReptiles

MojaveReptiles

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This year, we bred two different stripes that we had bought at conventions so do not know if they have hets or other genetic things going on. The female appears to be a stripe or hypo striped (she has almost no red, but her stripes are darker than the males) and the male is an amel stripe.

In their clutch of 13, they had 4 anery stripes, 3 amel stripes, 5 dark red stripes (could just be normal stripes, or hypo stripes, hard to tell at this point with their early shed), and this snake.

Do you know what this snake might be?

Pics of parents are at: Hypo Striped x Amel Striped Breeding Journal

We suspect this baby is either a ghost stripe or an ultramel anery, but she is so pretty, and already very friendly (my husband is digging on it, and says we def. have to keep her!):

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Looks like a ghost stripe. It would be the most logical guess. And if so, it means your hypo stripe is het anery and amel and your amel stripe is het hypo and anery. That really is the simplistic and most plausible outcome :)
 
Hmm I just looked at the pictures of the parents. I don't think you bred a hypo stripe to an amel stripe. I think you bred either a stripe to a hypo stripe or two stripes together. The "amel stripe" looks like a lovely hypo stripe. Does it have red eyes? if not, then it ain't an amel stripe. I also looked at pictures of the babies, I don't see any amel stripes, or have you just not pictured them?
 
Yeah that little one looks like a ghost stripe to me. And in the other pics it looks like you got normal and anery stripes, so the parents are het for anery for sure.
 
This shot here is with that possible ghost stripe with some of the more "red" snakes.. I can see that some are normal, but others are clearly a brighter red, and not normal:

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He has a black pupil. Thats not an amel. Amels have bright red pupils and iris. They are devoid of any black pigment whatsoever. So now you know neither parent is homozygous amel. Do any of the babies have eyes like this:

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If so, they are amel stripes ;) If not, they will be hypo stripes.
 
Ah ha! I get it :) The amels have full red eyes.. hypos have black pupils with red around them. Haha! Such an easy way to see the difference between the two. The dad is DEFINITELY hypo striped, as you can see, he has def. black pupils! Mom is a normal, but they told me at the time I bought her that she carried hets (they also sold her as a hypo, but that guy apparently didn't know the difference between hypos and normals either)
 
Indeed :) So your stripe/hypo stripe parents are both het anery! One parent has to be a normal, otherwise all your babies would be homo hypo. Which would mean you would have no normal or anery stripes. It means either one or neither of the parents are homo hypo, but they will definatley be het hypo and anery of course.
 
Tula_Montage said:
Indeed :) So your stripe/hypo stripe parents are both het anery! One parent has to be a normal, otherwise all your babies would be homo hypo. Which would mean you would have no normal or anery stripes. It means either one or neither of the parents are homo hypo, but they will definatley be het hypo and anery of course.
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Thanks for the help! Each was purchased from local pet stores that had set up stands at shows a few years ago. What a nice surprise that they are het anery!


Right now, I also have a clutch of Anery Patternless Striped (both parents), and I have at least TWO snows, and one super light anery coming out of the egg... as soon as they get out, I'll take pics and post.

Last year, this pairing produced all anery, although some were lighter than others. This year, at least two of the babies are snow! Go figure...
 
Yep, looks like a little ghost stripe. Nice looking baby. And I'd guess that both parents are normal stripes, given the offspring ratios (I know, I know, Murphy throws some curveballs and actual ratios can be WAY off from expected ratios) and the fact that they really look nearly identical. I'd expect a hypo stripe to be brighter than that. My hypo motley is BRIGHT orange. But again, normals and hypos are so variable, he'd have to be test bred to a known hypo to be sure.
 
Hallie said:
Yep, looks like a little ghost stripe. Nice looking baby. And I'd guess that both parents are normal stripes, given the offspring ratios (I know, I know, Murphy throws some curveballs and actual ratios can be WAY off from expected ratios) and the fact that they really look nearly identical. I'd expect a hypo stripe to be brighter than that. My hypo motley is BRIGHT orange. But again, normals and hypos are so variable, he'd have to be test bred to a known hypo to be sure.
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The photos don't really show the differences in the parents. Her stripes are much darker, and she does not have the red around the pupil that he does. His stripes are almost invisible, and he is a bright bright red. And his eyes are distinctly different from hers... I agree with Tula_montage. The mom is definitely normal, but the dad is certainly hypo.
 
MojaveReptiles said:
The photos don't really show the differences in the parents. Her stripes are much darker, and she does not have the red around the pupil that he does. His stripes are almost invisible, and he is a bright bright red. And his eyes are distinctly different from hers... I agree with Tula_montage. The mom is definitely normal, but the dad is certainly hypo.
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Was he sold to you as a hypo? I got the impression he was sold to you as an amel, which was obviously incorrect. The stripe gene has a sort of hypo effect on its own, so many normal stripes do look very hypo-ish. I wouldn't doubt that he could be a hypo, as like I said, they are extremely variable.

Do you have any baby pictures of the snake in question or better comparison photos? That could help. He does look hypo-ish in the eyeball picture, but the other picture (on your site) doesn't convince me one way or the other.

You should have seen half hypo babies in that clutch (whether ghosts or hypos) and there are only 4, which is about what you would expect to see if both parents were het hypo. Again, Murphy throws out weird things...I had a clutch of 10 hatch that should have given me 1/4 each of ghosts, aneries, anery stripes, and ghost stripes, and I got 7 ghost stripes, and one each of the others...if possible, I would test breed him to something that is known to be homozygous hypo next year and see what happens. :) I just wouldn't be so quick to definitively call him a hypo without him having been sold as a hypo and with clutch results like this. Not trying to argue or anything, just giving you something to think about, and a fun (if you're like me and love genetics) project! :D
 
Ok so what ever you want to call these snakes or there parents we are all in agreeing that the babies you got were Normal Stripes, Hypo Stripes, Anery Stripes, and 1 Ghost stripe right. So either way homo/het the parents are Hypo Stripe Anery. Now I would say you got siblings from the local pet shop from someone elses mix match clutch. So I say your male is a Hypo Stripe (het Anery) and female Normal Stripe (het Hypo/Anery). Other wise you would not of gotten a Ghost anything if both parents did not have some Hypo in them. Yes I agree that the ratio is a little off. But that is just how things go sometimes. Next year you could get all Ghost Stripes or all Normal Stripes. You just really never know until the eggs pip. Even with using the best calculator on the net.
 
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