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Peta's "Reasons to go Vegetarian"
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Serpwidgets
New member
It's not easy being green.
I remember hearing about some experiment where they hooked up a head of lettuce to some electrical equipment, and then when the person walked into the room, the lettuce had some mild reaction to him. They then brought the guy in with another head of lettuce and knife and cutting board, and the guy chopped the other head of lettuce into little pieces. The first head of lettuce had a whole lot of electrical activity, and the guy left the room. When he came back, the lettuce had a violent (electrical) reaction to the person's presence. Their interpretation was that it was afraid of him. (Hey, I heard it on the Art Bell show so it HAS to be true, LOL.)
Plants are people too. They're just leafy green people. They have feelings, too. We should stop being so cruel to plants by eating them, domesticating them, planting them in overcrowded fields, and breeding them to serve our desires.
I think PeTP is a good idea. We should form a big political movement lobbying for laws that keep people from having gardens and houseplants, and especially farming... oh the humanity!
I remember hearing about some experiment where they hooked up a head of lettuce to some electrical equipment, and then when the person walked into the room, the lettuce had some mild reaction to him. They then brought the guy in with another head of lettuce and knife and cutting board, and the guy chopped the other head of lettuce into little pieces. The first head of lettuce had a whole lot of electrical activity, and the guy left the room. When he came back, the lettuce had a violent (electrical) reaction to the person's presence. Their interpretation was that it was afraid of him. (Hey, I heard it on the Art Bell show so it HAS to be true, LOL.)
Plants are people too. They're just leafy green people. They have feelings, too. We should stop being so cruel to plants by eating them, domesticating them, planting them in overcrowded fields, and breeding them to serve our desires.
I think PeTP is a good idea. We should form a big political movement lobbying for laws that keep people from having gardens and houseplants, and especially farming... oh the humanity!
Serpwidgets said:It's not easy being green.
I think PeTP is a good idea. We should form a big political movement lobbying for laws that keep people from having gardens and houseplants, and especially farming... oh the humanity!
We should be able to survive on an IV drip and the occasional bit of recycled cardboard right??? :shrugs:
Serpwidgets
New member
Hey, cardboard is a plant product. How dare you exploit plants for your own amusement! :grin01:daisy said:
princess
Cornaholic
Is it cruel to anyone or anything if I eat my nails?
What if an apple has already fallen from the tree and I pick it up off the ground and eat it...was it already dead ? Does it still cry when I eat it? If I stand in front of a blackberry bush and pick off berries and eat them...do the other berries watch me a scream?
What if an apple has already fallen from the tree and I pick it up off the ground and eat it...was it already dead ? Does it still cry when I eat it? If I stand in front of a blackberry bush and pick off berries and eat them...do the other berries watch me a scream?
Serpwidgets
New member
Ahhhh! Plant abortion!princess said:
Arson
NEEDS MORE COWBELL!
People like PETA make it difficult for people like myself who advocate changing your diet to a more plant-based diet from what the average American eats. I'm not a vegetarian, but I do exclude certain meat products strictly for health reasons. I eat plenty of seafood and poultry. I rarely eat red meat or pork. I don't choose to eat the way I do for humane reasons. I just choose to eliminate the negative impacts of chemicals included in the processing of some of our foods in as many ways as I can tolerate.
It's amazing, though, how defensive some people get simply being in the presence of a vegetarian. My best friend is completely vegan (super psycho vegetarian) and often is presented with very harsh criticism from other people. She keeps her ideals to herself, but I've been witness on several occassions to outright attacks on her by other people who seem to feel insulted by her very presence. She's not the least bit preachy, doesn't run around tossing red paint on fur coats, she simply has her own idea of how she wants to live and other people crucify her for being different. Carefully gauge the responses of some of the people who discuss this issue and it reminds me of the dominating white man of the Western plains who slaughtered thousands of Indians simply because their way of life was confusing or different. In a time when so many people advocate patience and understanding it's surprising to see how many people think that the label "vegetarian" means that person is immediately making a statement about you, "The meat eater", being bad.
I can tell you from personal experience that most vegetarians are the way they are for their own reasons and arent' the least bit concerned about anyone else's opinions or desire for "proof". Egg asked me earlier today to provide him with proof that consuming hormones or steroids in beef or pork products was harmful before he'd accept my opinion. I don't feel compelled to prove anything. It's not my responsibility to make you understand, but don't delude yourself by thinking that NO harm is done whatsoever. This much, my friends, is no secret. Perhaps it's negligable. Perhaps I'm wrong and it's totally safe, but that's something that I have to deal with--not you. You choose to live your life the way you do, and I do mine. Keep that in mind and we'll all get along just fine.
It's amazing, though, how defensive some people get simply being in the presence of a vegetarian. My best friend is completely vegan (super psycho vegetarian) and often is presented with very harsh criticism from other people. She keeps her ideals to herself, but I've been witness on several occassions to outright attacks on her by other people who seem to feel insulted by her very presence. She's not the least bit preachy, doesn't run around tossing red paint on fur coats, she simply has her own idea of how she wants to live and other people crucify her for being different. Carefully gauge the responses of some of the people who discuss this issue and it reminds me of the dominating white man of the Western plains who slaughtered thousands of Indians simply because their way of life was confusing or different. In a time when so many people advocate patience and understanding it's surprising to see how many people think that the label "vegetarian" means that person is immediately making a statement about you, "The meat eater", being bad.
I can tell you from personal experience that most vegetarians are the way they are for their own reasons and arent' the least bit concerned about anyone else's opinions or desire for "proof". Egg asked me earlier today to provide him with proof that consuming hormones or steroids in beef or pork products was harmful before he'd accept my opinion. I don't feel compelled to prove anything. It's not my responsibility to make you understand, but don't delude yourself by thinking that NO harm is done whatsoever. This much, my friends, is no secret. Perhaps it's negligable. Perhaps I'm wrong and it's totally safe, but that's something that I have to deal with--not you. You choose to live your life the way you do, and I do mine. Keep that in mind and we'll all get along just fine.
Flygning
Axe'!
Arson, I don't think anyone here is bashing vegetarianism. There are discussions like this quite often on this forum, and I have never been offended once. People here are mocking how PETA acts, not necessarily the reasons some people become vegetarians. There is a big difference between PETA's preaching and protesting and almost cult-like mentality, and someone making a personal statement by not eating meat for health or moral reasons or whatever.
Sasheena
Addicted
One of the things I always think is funny is when I am watching reruns of old Star Trek (one of my fave shows).... They land on some verdant green, paradisaical planet, and say, with straight faces... "There are no life forms" .... sometimes it's obvious they mean no "intelligent life" sometimes they seem to mean "no animal life"... it's absurd the lack of feeling for the plants as life forms. While I too, believe that people have the right to eat what they want to eat, I have a strong aversion to people who use an argument agianst one thing and not against another... "don't feed mice" (but it's okay to feed insects) "don't eat meat because it's a living thing" (here's a salad).
I think that people who own and care for snakes are a little closer to the natural way of things, especially if you raise your own feeders. It's all part of the cycle.
And I have to say.... momma mouse.... if she sees you coming to nab a snakey snack, she'll bury herself under her babies... screaming with every bit of body language she possesses: "Take the babies, I wanna live". Animals do have feelings (as do plants), but it's absurd to believe that the consumption of animal flesh should stop on a global scale..... does that mean they will hunt to extinction every form of life that preys on another form of life to exist? If so, then they'll have to sterilize the entire planet of all life forms, because the world is symbiotic and there is a natural order to things. Sometimes you are eating/consuming the organisms around you, and sometimes you're the one feeding them.
I think that people who own and care for snakes are a little closer to the natural way of things, especially if you raise your own feeders. It's all part of the cycle.
And I have to say.... momma mouse.... if she sees you coming to nab a snakey snack, she'll bury herself under her babies... screaming with every bit of body language she possesses: "Take the babies, I wanna live". Animals do have feelings (as do plants), but it's absurd to believe that the consumption of animal flesh should stop on a global scale..... does that mean they will hunt to extinction every form of life that preys on another form of life to exist? If so, then they'll have to sterilize the entire planet of all life forms, because the world is symbiotic and there is a natural order to things. Sometimes you are eating/consuming the organisms around you, and sometimes you're the one feeding them.
KatieL
Sienna, Trogdor & Melony
Oh my goodness!!! Jeff and I were rolling with laughter while reading that list. We are very big on eating meat in this house, so some of those just seemed terribly outlandish. You definitely gave a us a good laugh Joe (and everyone else who contributed the witty responses), Thanks guys!
mrweaw
Branching out into geckos
Ok,
#1 We are part of the food chain, we eat animals, animals eat us (usually after we die of other causes though)
#2 My 5 year old son knows more about where his food comes from than most adults I know
#3 .....Did I say FOOD CHAIN?
People chose to live their lives without eating meat, thats cool, but eating meat is natural for us. We need to have more respect for people's life choices even if we don't agree with them. I don't protest against vegitarians murdering my tomato friends :-þ and I don't want them protesting my eating chicken.
Just the 2 cents of a mother college educated in Biology and Zoology.
#1 We are part of the food chain, we eat animals, animals eat us (usually after we die of other causes though)
#2 My 5 year old son knows more about where his food comes from than most adults I know
#3 .....Did I say FOOD CHAIN?
People chose to live their lives without eating meat, thats cool, but eating meat is natural for us. We need to have more respect for people's life choices even if we don't agree with them. I don't protest against vegitarians murdering my tomato friends :-þ and I don't want them protesting my eating chicken.
Just the 2 cents of a mother college educated in Biology and Zoology.
Kavemank
K! Power
PETA is DUMB
I was in a pet store that shall remain nameless (Pet'smart) tlaking to one of the associates about why they did not sell snkaes or feeder mice. She told me that they do not sell snakes or feeder mice because it is to cruel to the mice, in her opinion snakes should find something else to eat, what she did not know though. I must for a discalimer that the offical reason this pet store says it does not seel snakes is for the scare factor. It was very obvious that the girl was a PETA girl, but I just could not believe the stupidity. Have any of you heard some of the sotries of such when the Palestinens used a donkey to attack some Israiles and PETA wrote them a letter saying how much a shame it was to use a donkey like that and to only use people for that job from now on, nothing about the 13 people that did die, and to suggest that a donkey is worth more than a human, it is just ridiculos. I am sure you have all heard stupid stories like that, I do not understand where they even get support with the things they say and do.
p.s. please excuse all spelling errors, I just am not a good speller, lol.
I was in a pet store that shall remain nameless (Pet'smart) tlaking to one of the associates about why they did not sell snkaes or feeder mice. She told me that they do not sell snakes or feeder mice because it is to cruel to the mice, in her opinion snakes should find something else to eat, what she did not know though. I must for a discalimer that the offical reason this pet store says it does not seel snakes is for the scare factor. It was very obvious that the girl was a PETA girl, but I just could not believe the stupidity. Have any of you heard some of the sotries of such when the Palestinens used a donkey to attack some Israiles and PETA wrote them a letter saying how much a shame it was to use a donkey like that and to only use people for that job from now on, nothing about the 13 people that did die, and to suggest that a donkey is worth more than a human, it is just ridiculos. I am sure you have all heard stupid stories like that, I do not understand where they even get support with the things they say and do.
p.s. please excuse all spelling errors, I just am not a good speller, lol.
princess
Cornaholic
I eat meat. I enjoy eating meat.
From time to time I'll go a fair few days without eating any meat at all and that's fine, I don't feel deprived but I also don't feel the need to rush out and tear into a steak either. BUT.....If I eat a particulary heavy-on-the-meat meal, I just feel sooooo bloated and sluggish. I find my 'system' feels so much better if I eat a modest portion of meat and the majority of my diet comes from plant based sources.
I think if we listen to our bodies, they'll tell us how to balance our intake, that's what cravings are all about afterall.
If anyone is saying that I mean that when you want something you should eat it, well then no, craving potato chips doesn't mean you need potato chips. It might mean that you need a little salt ...in moderation. -And craving chocolate might mean you need something in that....but I'm sure that human beings 5000 years ago had a much better sense of what their body needed, in part because they didn't have all the distractions of 21st century life...hey look, here I am sitting in front of one of those distractions right now!!
From time to time I'll go a fair few days without eating any meat at all and that's fine, I don't feel deprived but I also don't feel the need to rush out and tear into a steak either. BUT.....If I eat a particulary heavy-on-the-meat meal, I just feel sooooo bloated and sluggish. I find my 'system' feels so much better if I eat a modest portion of meat and the majority of my diet comes from plant based sources.
I think if we listen to our bodies, they'll tell us how to balance our intake, that's what cravings are all about afterall.
If anyone is saying that I mean that when you want something you should eat it, well then no, craving potato chips doesn't mean you need potato chips. It might mean that you need a little salt ...in moderation. -And craving chocolate might mean you need something in that....but I'm sure that human beings 5000 years ago had a much better sense of what their body needed, in part because they didn't have all the distractions of 21st century life...hey look, here I am sitting in front of one of those distractions right now!!
princess
Cornaholic
I'm actually a big advocate of stem-cell/cord blood research. Have you heard the latest? There's a nasal spray that has been proven to show reversal in the effects of alzeimers type dementia! It was in the paper today but it's in Swedish so i didn't read it too carefully...too much like concentrating!
Peta...
Ha!! What a joke! Do those people even realize that without the flesh of an animal, or some sort of similar 'product' they would not be here? And maybe on that note it is best that they had 'forgotten to breathe' at birth and done the rest of the thinking public a favor.
I agree that animals should not be treated cruely, and that pet owners should be responsible, just like everyone else on the forum, but it makes me wonder...What sort of childhood did these PETA people have that has some how delivered them away from the natural cycle of things?
Did their parents never let them have pets? Were they the kids who often 'loved their animals to death' and couldn't figure out why fluffy the bullsnake died when he didn't eat the leaves in his cage? I am very curious to know what gose on behind their thick irrational skulls, and would equally love to see them out in the wild fending for themselves.... do they really think that they will find enough eddible food without augmenting their diet with the flesh of some small animal?--vegeatable matter can only give you so much before it's not enough ya know....
just my Humble opinion
Ha!! What a joke! Do those people even realize that without the flesh of an animal, or some sort of similar 'product' they would not be here? And maybe on that note it is best that they had 'forgotten to breathe' at birth and done the rest of the thinking public a favor.
I agree that animals should not be treated cruely, and that pet owners should be responsible, just like everyone else on the forum, but it makes me wonder...What sort of childhood did these PETA people have that has some how delivered them away from the natural cycle of things?
Did their parents never let them have pets? Were they the kids who often 'loved their animals to death' and couldn't figure out why fluffy the bullsnake died when he didn't eat the leaves in his cage? I am very curious to know what gose on behind their thick irrational skulls, and would equally love to see them out in the wild fending for themselves.... do they really think that they will find enough eddible food without augmenting their diet with the flesh of some small animal?--vegeatable matter can only give you so much before it's not enough ya know....
just my Humble opinion