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Photoshopped?

Thanks for the responses. Ill tell my friend. Supposedly, nobody there looked like him. It was her house and was taken by somebody there and sent to her later. She said they have had a few creepy happenings. House built brand new. Only history to the land was a 24 year old was killed by a bull on property when it was a pasture.

I was thinking photoshopped too. Very clear crisp face

Myself,, I think seeing is believing and until I have seen, I cant say I believe. I do however LOVE Mary Roach and her last book Spook was almost as good as her first book. Shes coming out with a third.
 
People thought the world was flat because scientists said so.
They don't have the instruments to find out if it was or not.

Same thing can be applied to ghosts.

Just because science has not said it, does not mean it is not real.
 
aztek said:
People thought the world was flat because scientists said so.
They don't have the instruments to find out if it was or not.

Same thing can be applied to ghosts.

Just because science has not said it, does not mean it is not real.
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Actually the theory of the world being flat is infact a sophisticated thought process stemming from primitive man. They will of realised that natural occurances (Rivers, Valleys, Mountains etc) of geography was actually just unevenness on what would appear to be a flat surface. After-all, Regardless of what shape the entire earth is - The earths surface over small distances (Such as you would be able to see from the ground.) can be accepted as "Flat". Don't forget when this theory first came about Man could only travel as far as land would allow. They was unable to get across many mountain ranges or across oceans. The theory was not debunked until Oceanic travel was achieved.

So no, Science doesn't have instruments than can prove ghosts DON'T exist - But neither do Paranormal Investigators have Instruments than can prove ghosts DO exist. All the evidence is based on anecdotes and folklore.

There are however many scientific explanations for paranormal activity...

Have you ever seen anything moving out of the corner of your eye when lay in bed at night? Peripheral vision in humans is highly sensitive and as such often when the brain is tired it can misinterpret sight and sound and make you perceive something as moving when it isn't, The light level is simply changing. Or the reflection from a cars headlights through a window.

Have you ever woken up and seen what you perceive to be a foreign body in your room, Maybe someone in the shadows or leaving a door? How do you know you have actually seen this and have not simply had a hypnagogic hallucination? This would explain why you have seen something, then when you get up to investigate nothing is there - It was actually just a vivid dreamlike state created by your mind whilst waking is in the state between Waking and Sleeping. I often have Hypnic jerks yet have never seen what i would perceive as an apparition, Yet the two seem to be linked.

What about those odd 'feelings' people sometimes get in a room? Is it really your body telling you theres a spirit around... Or could it possibly just be your body picking up on Infrasound (Sounds so low that they are inaudible to humans yet it has been proven that these sounds can cause Humans emotions to change in a room, Examples of such being Fear, Anxiety, Sadness and even Chills running down your body.

Doors opening and closing can be caused by breezes, Air constantly circulates... Not forgetting air pressure.

The human psyche can often pick up on otherwise insignificant vague or random stimulus (Such as a shadow looking like a shape, etc) and perceive it as something completely different. Just look at the recent Mystery figure on mars.

Whilst i'm not saying ghosts definitely do not exist (Afterall im not educated to a degree where i could effectively argue either points) I have to say From all the evidence and theory's from both sides i have to side with them not existing. The scientific "evidence" just seems to outweigh the Paranormal "Evidence" (I mean, Just look at the TAPS quote from earlier. Basic research into the human body and the effects of death debunks that.)
 
Mr.AJ said:
Actually the theory of the world being flat is infact a sophisticated thought process stemming from primitive man. They will of realised that natural occurances (Rivers, Valleys, Mountains etc) of geography was actually just unevenness on what would appear to be a flat surface. After-all, Regardless of what shape the entire earth is - The earths surface over small distances (Such as you would be able to see from the ground.) can be accepted as "Flat". Don't forget when this theory first came about Man could only travel as far as land would allow. They was unable to get across many mountain ranges or across oceans. The theory was not debunked until Oceanic travel was achieved.

So no, Science doesn't have instruments than can prove ghosts DON'T exist - But neither do Paranormal Investigators have Instruments than can prove ghosts DO exist. All the evidence is based on anecdotes and folklore.

There are however many scientific explanations for paranormal activity...

Have you ever seen anything moving out of the corner of your eye when lay in bed at night? Peripheral vision in humans is highly sensitive and as such often when the brain is tired it can misinterpret sight and sound and make you perceive something as moving when it isn't, The light level is simply changing. Or the reflection from a cars headlights through a window.

Have you ever woken up and seen what you perceive to be a foreign body in your room, Maybe someone in the shadows or leaving a door? How do you know you have actually seen this and have not simply had a hypnagogic hallucination? This would explain why you have seen something, then when you get up to investigate nothing is there - It was actually just a vivid dreamlike state created by your mind whilst waking is in the state between Waking and Sleeping. I often have Hypnic jerks yet have never seen what i would perceive as an apparition, Yet the two seem to be linked.

What about those odd 'feelings' people sometimes get in a room? Is it really your body telling you theres a spirit around... Or could it possibly just be your body picking up on Infrasound (Sounds so low that they are inaudible to humans yet it has been proven that these sounds can cause Humans emotions to change in a room, Examples of such being Fear, Anxiety, Sadness and even Chills running down your body.

Doors opening and closing can be caused by breezes, Air constantly circulates... Not forgetting air pressure.

The human psyche can often pick up on otherwise insignificant vague or random stimulus (Such as a shadow looking like a shape, etc) and perceive it as something completely different. Just look at the recent Mystery figure on mars.

Whilst i'm not saying ghosts definitely do not exist (Afterall im not educated to a degree where i could effectively argue either points) I have to say From all the evidence and theory's from both sides i have to side with them not existing. The scientific "evidence" just seems to outweigh the Paranormal "Evidence" (I mean, Just look at the TAPS quote from earlier. Basic research into the human body and the effects of death debunks that.)
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Exactly, they didn't have the technology to know the earth was round. Just like we don't have the technology to see the 5th dimension where ghosts exist. .. .. ... ........
 
aztek said:
Exactly, they didn't have the technology to know the earth was round. Just like we don't have the technology to see the 5th dimension where ghosts exist. .. .. ... ........
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Yes, but i think you missed the entire point of my post. I was trying to point out that at the time the theory made sense. As far as was able to see was "Flat" with just uneven surfaces. Therefore the theory of a flat earth made sense, Until further travel was achieved. Hence why i posted many scientific explanations for the most common "paranormal" phenomena is infact not paranormal.

There is NO respectable theories explaining how ghosts can exist that i have ever come across. I mean just look at the TAPs one, Its laughable. Hence why i am more inclined to believe theories based around scientific fact, Than anecdotes based around peoples beliefs.

Simply saying a 5th dimension exists, with no sensible explanation as to how or why does not mean it is true. I could sit here and tell you theres a 6th Dimension inhabited by alternative realities of ourselves. You cant disprove it, I can't prove it. That doesn't make its true.
 
Hey, AJ... IF you really don't believe in ghosts and have explanations for EVERYTHING paranormal... Then you can pick a place, go there, and post your experiences. You can go to an electrical store to get EMF detectors... and EVP thingy... video tape everything, too. I would love to see your reaction.
 
Been there, Done that... My girlfriends uncle owns a bar in manchester that is supposedly haunted, Some of the staff have stories of what they've encountered. They base the claims on the fact the basement still has the slab tables in it from when it was an Inn where people who had died whilst staying there had been stored on over night, Still with blood stains on them. Spent 2 consecutive nights down there and nothing happened, Apart from getting immensely bored and drinking one-too-many 'shandys' ;)
 
But your original suggestion was just one place.. ;)

That is, Unless you was wanting me to work my way through the entire list.
 
I believe in ghosts! check this pic I took:
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=P
 
I wasn't going to post to this thread, but then, what the heck...

When I was in the Army, I lived in a building on FT McNair, DC that is the remaining bit of the old Federal prison that housed the Lincoln Assassination conspirators, Mary Surrat being the best known. They were hung next to the building, and their bodies were brought back inside for a period.

This particular building has long been described as haunted and I can tell you that I have multiple first-hand experiences from living there, and many stories told to me directly by other officers who lived there when I did of things that 'just weren't right.'

I'm not saying I believe in ghosts, but I am saying that some things happen that just make you say, "hmmm."

- My wife (ex) was in law school while we were living there and one morning I left for work while she was sitting at the table studying. I tossed the newspaper from the outside of the doorway inside and left for work. When I came home, my wife was still at the table studying. She asked me if I remembered what I did with the paper when I left and where I put it. She then asked me to find it now. It was on the far side of the 20X20 foot room living room. She said that she never touched it all day, but noticed that every time she looked up it was just a little further across the room than before.

- The LT living in one of the bottom floor apartments also had a part of the basement as part of his quarters. Many times he'd find the windows in that room opened and bottles and a boom box that he kept on the window sills on the floor (never broken and all upright, as if set there).

A Captain living in the other bottom floor apartment had a german shepherd/wolf mix, named Thor. Thor was a big strapping dog who would come visit all of the other tennants and generally had 'run' of the building. There was one particular room in the basement that Thor absolutely refused to go in. If you tried to force him or carry him in, he would whine, yelp and then become aggressive if you kept at it. Maybe he smelled something there, but none of us could tell the difference between that room and others in the basement.

One more quick one... another LT and his wife had an infant girl. As babies do at night, she would start crying and one or the other of them would go to her. On several occasions, the baby would stop crying and they swore that they heard a female's voice singing softly. Allegedly, that room on the top floor of the building had been Mary's cell during the trial and before she was executed.

There are more, but I won't bore you with them.
 
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