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[JFDery]

Here you go diamond,

they are not of the same individual, but the adult pictured below looked like that as a baby. I have bred this animal to a normal colored animal this year, all babies are normal colored. I am looking for definate homo for only one hypo type, to start testing compatibility with other types of hypos before I can conclude what is the genetic makeup of this strain (yikes, I think my phrase is a bit cloudy).

2004 adult

2006 baby

2006 baby

 

[diamondlil]

Thankyou so much, what beautiful snakes. They most remind me of some of the 'dilute' and 'blued-steel' snakes, but I know some more experienced breeders will have some opinions.

 

[JFDery]

I'm sure alot of people will have their opinions on them, unfortunately I probably won't be able to answer too many questions for the next week, I'm just about to leave town...

cheers, Jean

 

[Susan]

Thankyou so much, what beautiful snakes. They most remind me of some of the 'dilute' and 'blued-steel' snakes, but I know some more experienced breeders will have some opinions.

I totally agree! They sure do look like dilutes of some sort...and with all that zigzag pattern and pink, I would initially think dilute lavender.

 

[diamondlil]

Thanks Susan, I was sticking my newbie neck out a bit there, I've spent ages looking at the blue-steels' pictures, drooling, so wasn't sure if i was seeing what I thought I was! Now all I need is to go in a petshop, and find one, and say, 'I'll take that homely creature off your hands'!

 

[JFDery]

I doubt that it is a Lavender, but I may be able to test it for Lav anyway next spring, providing my female Lav is ready.

 

[ecreipeoj]

I have been keeping track of Jean’s hypos since we started the Hypo Test Breeding Project several years ago. I have always thought they were something different because of their milky appearance.

I would also say that the photos he posted above look like Lavenders, and could be a “Dilute“ Lavender. They look a great deal like my “Sunset” Lavenders. Here is some photos of this hypo gene that Jean sent my a few years ago, combined with Anery and compared to a Normal and perhaps a “Dilute“. I never really thought about it in the past, but boy the Anery ones sure look similar to the “Blue Steels” and Blue Motleys. They could be something completely different, but there are obvious similarities.

Don’t make anything out of the file names of these photos if you copy them. When Jean first contacted me, he didn’t really know what they were and thought they may be Lavenders, Ghost or even Caramels. The Blue Motleys and “Blue Steels” have been called “Ghosts” as well. I am pretty sure that the Blue Motleys and Blue Steels are caused by the same gene. The Blues just have a lot of pink in that line. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jean’s hypo is the Dilute gene too.

 

[diamondlil]

Oh those are just so darn beautiful! Thanks for sharing them.

 

[breedingcolors]

Wow JF, those are GORGEOUS!

 

[ecreipeoj]

Here are a few photos of my pinkest “Sunset” Lavender. The first photo is the same gene without so much pink. They have the same milky look as Jean’s hypos and are similar is some ways to the Blue Motley look.

Are the “Sunsets“, Blue Motleys, Blue Steel, and Jean’s hypos caused by the same gene, or are they just similar in appearance? I hope somebody is going to breed a Blue Steel X Blue Motley soon. Perhaps we need to organize a test between the two if nobody has both of them in their colony.

I only have an adult Pair of Blue Motleys. I only produced a few offspring from the male this year, so I wouldn’t want to use him to test to a Blue Steel, even thought I believe that after a treatment with my cocktail, he will be fine next year. Perhaps somebody who has a Blue Steel or Het Blue Steel female could offer to send one to Rob Stevens and Bayou Reptile for the test to a proven male Blue Motley.

 

[diamondlil]

Hang on, is that a 'peach hypo thingy lookalikey' you've got in the second picture?

 

[ecreipeoj]

Here is a close up of my best “Sunset” in his prime and a couple of photos of him breeding this year. He has lost a lot of his pink coloration that he had between the ages of 6 months and a 1 ½ years, much like most Opals do. I see some similarities with the other milky looking hypos. They kind of have that look of a glass of water with a little milk added to the glass.

 

[Mary-Beth]

It looks like Easter in here! I love the looks of all these milky pastel snakes.
Just when I thought I had all the morphs I really wanted...

 

[Serpwidgets]

Whatever they are, that wide-striped charcoal/lav-looking thing in post #7 is absolutely amazing!

I think it's great that people are not just breeding all of these interesting new variants, but putting the work into proving them out so we can all understand what they are.

 

[Susan]

I hope somebody is going to breed a Blue Steel X Blue Motley soon. Perhaps we need to organize a test between the two if nobody has both of them in their colony.

I'm planning on doing just that sometime in the future. I have two '06 blue motley females Connie produced...plus the parents and 1.1 possible hets, and when my finances improve and I'm able to purchase more snakes (probably in '07), I'll get a couple from Bayou Reptiles. And I would also eventually like to get one of your Sunset lavenders to do some test breedings with. (Dilute anery motley het hypo X dilute lavender/dilute hypo lavender = dilute normals with yummy hets and possibly dilute hypos also with great hets. And what a wonderful F2 generation!)

But I'm already convinced that my "blued steel" motleys are the same as Bayou Reptiles' Blue Motleys. When I first hatched one out last year, I hadn't seen a photo of a blue motley yet, so used the descriptive name my hubby called them, just for easy identification. After seeing Bayou Reptiles' blue motleys, plus all the others out there, and after the discussion about a dilute gene, I have basically dropped the "Blued Steel" name in my mind. I still have it on my website, just in case there's that 1% chance it really IS different...and I just haven't gotten around to rewriting everything.

 

[JFDery]

Whatever they are, that wide-striped charcoal/lav-looking thing in post #7 is absolutely amazing!

I think it's great that people are not just breeding all of these interesting new variants, but putting the work into proving them out so we can all understand what they are.

I agree, that anery is probably my favorite snake in the project. As far as the others are concerned, I don't think they are Lavenders, and I will, of course, try to demonstrate that with future breeding projects. Hopefully I will be able to breed the "hypo" to a lavender female next spring. I do have to say that the final result, resembles the some animals with the "dilute" gene. I've read a few posts on the dilute gene, but I'm not done going through everything that has been said or concluded about this gene - has anyone managed to isolate this gene or has it always manifested in combination with another mutation?

Jean