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pine????

Yup. Well, alot of people think so anyways. There was a discussion about it a while ago where someone said pine was ok but that's the first time I ever heard someone give it a plus point.
 
Most adult snakes should not have any problem with pine shavings, however I would avoid using it with hatchlings.
I really don't see much advantage to it, there are so many other choices that offer no ill effects to your animals. I don't even use pine for my mice any more. Some alternatives you might try for your cornsnakes are cypress mulch, aspen shavings or newspaper.
Avoid cedar shavings they are toxic!
 
Pine exclusive!

Don Soderburg claimed a couple of years ago that he's used pine with all of his snakes and never a problem at all. I tend to believe him.
 
CornDude said:
is this toxic as a substrate?
thanks
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If it is for the same reasons as substrate for small animals, pine can have some of the same harmful oils in it as cedar. If you can find kiln dried pine, it's supposed to be more dry like aspen and theoretically safer.

I personally like aspen, but thats just me.
 
Re: Pine exclusive!

Shaky said:
Don Soderburg claimed a couple of years ago that he's used pine with all of his snakes and never a problem at all. I tend to believe him.
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yeah and alot of people keep multiple corns together with no problems but I still wont keep mine together. I've heard quite a few people saying pine isn't a good substrate esp for hatchlings. Not as bad a cedar but still...there are other safe options so why bother using something that *could* be harmful to your snake? :confused:
 
Rachel said:
Well if you already use it why are you questioning it's toxicity now??
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what i ment to post was i use it and havent had any problems yet but should i change it....yet i only had like 5secs :(
 
oh right, sorry didn't mean to sound harsh :)

The way I look at it, if you're happy using it and haven't had any problems then it's up to you. Personally, I don't like taking risks...I don't want one of those what ifs to creep up on me! And I know there are risks involved with most substrates, but I choose to use ones with a minimal-no risk (paper towles for hatchlings and hemp for adults)
 
hemp?

I'm pretty sure I've never heard of hemp being used in the US.
What does hemp substrate look like?
 
Nah, I think its a European product prob from Amsterdam ;) ;)

It is kinda like a cross between wood shavings and woodchip. It isn't dusty or abrasive and is great for tunneling. Most of the pieces are too 'awkward' to be swallowed accidentally. I will hopefully get pics soon so I will get a pic of the hemp too!
 
Rachel said:
oh right, sorry didn't mean to sound harsh :)

The way I look at it, if you're happy using it and haven't had any problems then it's up to you. Personally, I don't like taking risks...I don't want one of those what ifs to creep up on me! And I know there are risks involved with most substrates, but I choose to use ones with a minimal-no risk (paper towles for hatchlings and hemp for adults)
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i didnt realise it was pine, i just bought it....then opened it and realised...:(
 
here is a pic of the stuff....
tell me if you can see any problems....
 

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Ah right, that looks more like pine bark. the pine we get here (or at least the stuff I've seen) is wood shavings (from the middle part of the tree...looks like the stuff you'd use in a horses stable or hamster cage). Maybe the bark isn't as 'oily' as the inner wood and therefore less toxic? I dunno, I haven't come across pine like yours before. :)
 
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