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[reptile_addict]

Junior,

You really shouldn't be giving out any advice, period. You should shut up and observe and absorb the knowledge here. Maybe in a few years you'll learn enough to help a rookie out but until then why don't you just learn, quietly.

This is where it starts. Does the followind advice I have given seem like bad advice?

In my oppinion It is more humane to just flick a mouse. I do it to pinks on up. It doesn't cork for big rats though. I just throw the huge ones against the wall in a pillow case.

depends on his last shed, you may not know that so that may be a suprise. Just a guesse but maybe 2 days maybe 3 weeks.

if this helps I use a redlight for my blood to keep the heat up and so I can see him at night. I used to use a redlight 24/7 on my corn but it never really needed the extra light and heat. Just my oppinion

first of all welcome to corn snakes. I am not a wiz at breeding and color morphs so I'll leave that up to you. I recomend you get the corn snake manual by Cathy Love to start with. If you can please get some pics of the babies when they hatch

Welcome, You will probably just need an uth (under tank heater) depending on the temps in the cage. What size are you using for cage? I use aspen bedding and forest bed. 2 hides and 1-2 water bowls. Let me know of any more questions.

Well a 20 long and heating stuff will be about 100$ plus 2.00 average a week for food. So about 300$ for 2 years. Probably less depending on price of feeders.

I just use warm water because I find that to hot of water on a pinkie will make its skin white and start falling off. I hold the mouse in my hand under warm water til it is soft and squishy. Then I dry it off a little and fed it off. I have done this method with pinkie mice to jumbo rats. I havent no problems. Just my oppinion.

 

[daisy]

I don't think the problem here necessarily is with bad advice. Many of us have different opinions, techniques and experience. That is why we share.
I think the issue is that you seem to contradict yourself from one thread to another, and people are starting to notice. The trouble with this happening is that you start to lose credability and then you get picked on...
If I could offer you a word of advice, from an outsider looking in, I would say slow down and think about what you want to say before you say it. If you think it's valid, by all means, post it. If you think it's contradictory, or won't be understood, keep it to yourself for the time being.
And for god sake, don't post new threads with questions in them if you are trying to answer it somewhere else. It doesn't help your case at all.

Sit back and think. Good luck, and may the force be with you...

 

[TrpnBils]

I still agree with DAND.

How sound can your advice possibly be whenever you contradict yourself on a regular basis. Let's take a look:

Well a 20 long and heating stuff will be about 100$ plus 2.00 average a week for food. So about 300$ for 2 years. Probably less depending on price of feeders.

That was from this thread, and you quoted it yourself, so there's no argument that you said it.

I bought his 20 long brand new. The kind with locking sliding lids. That runs 49.99 on sale with the pet pals card. I had him on corn cob bedding when I first got him. I have bought him those ziploc feeding containers. I paid 45 for him shipped. I had a 40 breeder for him when he got older which I bought used for $55.00.

That was post #117, made by you, on the Fluffy Is Having a Preshed Soak thread.

.50 to 1.00 a week for a year on feeders
Heat pad 12.00
Heat lamp 7.95
Red bulb for heat light 5.99
Drift wood 7.99
vines 12.99
rock water bowl 3.99
Repair the screen top on his cage 8.45

That was post #109 (again, by you) from the same thread.

Now I'm not a nuclear scientist or anything that smart, but I do know this. If you look through those three quotes there, the numbers don't add up. First you tell somebody that the 20 long and heating will cost around $100. Then you go and say that you get your 20 longs for $50 and the UTH for $12. Even if you add the heat lights in there, you're still way off. And DAND quoted you as saying you got 20 longs for $25 in that same thread (post #89). Your estimate for a week of food was also double what you said it actually was...maybe you're getting ripped off.

The price of equipment isn't a life or death bit of information, but when you can't even keep your lies straight on something that you should be able to prove by simply looking at a receipt, that says a lot. And I'm also not saying that you give bad advice in every post either. That would be damn hard to do because even the biggest moron in the world would have picked up a thing or two from reading the amount of posts you've read in your time here. So up above where you quoted yourself giving somebody the advice of picking up Kathy's book, no, that wasn't bad advice...but it wasn't something that it takes any kind of skill to do either. Nobody is going to berate you for giving advice that you know something about. I haven't had my snake for very long, but I'm not going to go out and give advice to people on things I know little to nothing about firsthand. The only exception I will make with that is something like my "Mites Treatment" post on the Health subforum....I quoted that entire thing from somebody a whole lot more knowledgeable than myself...and I said that I didn't have any experience with it, but this is what I've been told by somebody who has.

 

[StubbyUK]

You might want to take note of how long I have been a member here and how many posts I have...not many! Now that's because I don't currently own a corn snake, although I hope to get one at some point in the future.

With this in mind I read posts on here, learn everything I can, and only reply to posts where I have experience or know I can help out. If something is just my opinion then I will say that that is all it is. As I don't own a corn snake there are many posts that I don't answer because I don't have the experience to reply knowlegeably and there are many many other members of the forum who do.

Its not a competition on here to impress people, or to get the most posts in the shortest amount of time, its about learning, making friends and helping out when you have the answer or information relevent to someone's question.

Just my thoughts on this

StubbyUK

 

[mwr920]

I think nobody listens to you anyway, you know, because your herps are always dying.

 

[wildernessey]

:sidestep:

 

[moth]

cant we all just get along :shrugs: :shrugs:

 

[Joejr14]

This is where it starts. Does the followind advice I have given seem like bad advice?

You're what, 14? 15?

You claim to have all of these snakes and you claim to be getting a reptile room, but within a matter of two weeks you lost a blood python because you decided to make a 'water hide' with a lid on it and the poor snake drowned.

You bought an African House Snake, and didnt listen to anyone when they said you couldn't house that with a corn snake. So what happened, the african house snake got eaten.

You then had a cornsnake die on you, for whatever reason. You then tried to blame it on the pet store and went on flapping your gums talking about how you were going to 'sew' them.


Here's the deal, kiddo.

If you want people to take you seriously, you need to either fess up and admit that everything you've said to date about your snakes has been BS, or you should stop posting about killing your snakes. Nobody in their right mind is going to listen to a 14/15 year old who has successfully killed 3 snakes in 14 days---all of which could have been avoided if you had only listened to people on here.

Secondly, your spelling is atrocious. If you want people to take your posts seriously, you need to spell better. I mean, come on, you said you were going to 'sew' the pet store. I was unaware that you could take a needle and thread and sew up a pet store, but who knows.

It's clear that you shouldn't be giving advice, but you most certainly need to absord some common sense and husbandry skills from people who post here. Most of the people who post frequently have a decent sized collection and you could definitely learn from them.

Finally, starting a thread whining about DAND picking on you isn't going to help your cause. Nobody is going to come running to your defense. Maybe it's time you found a new website to go screw around on.

 

[Drizzt80]

cant we all just get along :shrugs: :shrugs:

As a teacher of 8th graders, (and I don't profess to be an expert here, but have some experience!!), I can say that continuing the arguments and rantings and ravings and finger pointing solves nothing, especially with teenagers who'd argue it's day when it's night.

We have an overzeoulous young teenager that's made some pretty bad mistakes. Hasn't listened to some pretty darn good advice. And, by my guess, feels pretty much trapped in a corner like a rabid raccoon.

On the other hand . . .
We have some knowledgeable (and unknowledgeable) cornsnake keepers that are attacking a 14 or 15 year old with the vehemence of a backyard brawl . . . ADULTS - ACT LIKE IT!!

In no way am I pointing fingers in any direction, or singling anyone out. The god(s) know I've made my own share of mistakes in judgement! I agree with moth though, can't we just get along and get back to the hobby we love?

I can guarantee almost 100% if reptile_addict were ignored in these situations without all the inflammatory responses, he'd hopefully just be quiet and start reading, like it's been suggested, instead of responding and feeling like he has to defend himself.

We're in this together aren't we?? Just let it go! If he stops getting responded to the behavior will stop.
D80

 

[Drizzt80]

Oh, and one of my personal favorites . . .

Whenever you point a finger at someone else, there's always three pointing back at yourself.

Something to make you stop and think . . .
D80

 

[reptile_addict]

Oh, and one of my personal favorites . . .

Whenever you point a finger at someone else, there's always three pointing back at yourself.

Something to make you stop and think . . .
D80

Thanks for helping me out a bit. I needed some one to tell people that teens love to argue!!!! I know I messed up and thats why I am not expanding my collection anymore until I know more about my animals. I know someone wants to say you should have done more research, I researched. About someone saying that I wanted to house a house snake and a corn snake together, Please point out where I said that.

About my spelling BUCKO.... Everybody makes typing mistakes. I try not to.

CAN SOMEONE POST ONE BAD THING OF INFO I GAVE? NOTA QUESTION BUT A BAD PIECE OF INFO THAT I ACTUALLY POSTED. I HAVE LOOKED THROUGH ALL MY POSTS AND HAVE YET TO FIND ANY BAD ADVICE I GAVE TO ANYBODY. I ADMITTED THAT THE BLOOD WAS A BAD THING!!!! I lost a 150$ snake and feel horrible about it. I am not admitting to anything that I "lied about" unless its true. Someone can make a new thread with things I "lied about" and I can prove its not a lie. I can get pics of the tegu. I can get pics of the pac man. I can get pics of the leos. I can get pics of all my animals if you all doubt me.

 

[Quigs]

***yawn***

 

[TrpnBils]

I can say that continuing the arguments and rantings and ravings and finger pointing solves nothing, especially with teenagers who'd argue it's day when it's night.

I can guarantee almost 100% if reptile_addict were ignored in these situations without all the inflammatory responses, he'd hopefully just be quiet and start reading, like it's been suggested, instead of responding and feeling like he has to defend himself.

We're in this together aren't we?? Just let it go! If he stops getting responded to the behavior will stop.
D80

I agree that teens love to argue, but age is not an excuse to be stupid and irresponsible with the lives of animals that are completely dependant on you. I don't think "well, he's just a kid" is an acceptable excuse. We have other teenagers around the same age on this board that act more reponsible than some of the adults.

I honestly don't think the problem will just magically solve itself and that he'd go read up on how to keep snakes properly if we just stopped posting. The reason for that is that throughout the entire time this thing has been going on, he's still been out on the boards giving other people advice on how to care for their snake whenever he can't take care of his own.

If he stops getting responded to, the behavior won't stop, because it started long before we all knew there was a problem. If you go back and look at some of CAV's posts in particular, you can plainly see that he's been lying to us about a lot of things for a very long time. It just took something like this for him to finally get caught.

I am not admitting to anything that I "lied about" unless its true.

Unless it's true????

Right there you are admitting that you have lied to us.... :headbang:

 

[Drizzt80]

I don't think "well, he's just a kid" is an acceptable excuse. We have other teenagers around the same age on this board that act more reponsible than some of the adults.

You really think that's what I said in my post??! No wonder there's so much garbage around here lately.

Great insight, you're right on with that one. There ARE adults around here that act more immature/idotic than some of the kids and vice versa.

Just to spell it out, my point was if you ignore the behavior it will go away. I can almost guarantee that 99.9%. Kinda like when you sat in the car on long road trips and hit your brother/sister until they screamed to mom and dad. Once they stopped responding it was no fun anymore and you quit. Get the picture? If he continues to post inane garbage all the time I'm confident Rich will take care of it. As to him giving advice to others, I've waded through all kinds of good and bad advice from all different kinds of people around here. It's called the learning process.

Since you haven't left it alone or ignored RA how do you know it won't stop?? It's kinda like I felt obligated to respond to TrpnBils post . . .

Again, not supporting any side in this (I believe I indicated that I thought RA made some pretty bad decisions on his part.), just felt I had to step in with some outside observations as a professional that has to work with this age group on a daily basis. Think back for once to when you were 14 or 15, I can guarantee regardless of how intelligent you were (or thought you were) you made some pretty stupid mistakes. (I still make them at 33 for crying out loud!)

It's tough to learn from people when they're treating you like a piece of . . . no matter how dumb you may be perceived to be.

Don't even know why I'm backin' this kid up . . . :shrugs: In no way am I supporting RA's actions and actually agree that he's been in the wrong. But, I also think it's wrong that 'adults' are bashing the crap out of him too.

And I'm not trying to be the 'moral police' or anything either. Just making some suggestions.
D80

 

[BLKsteeda]

:noevil:


WOOT!

 

[sherry]

I’m 17 not to much old then reptile_addict. I made some pretty bad mistakes too. I posted 2 bad responses on a thread. just because he cuz a bad response bring it to his attention and try to help him. I no I haven’t been here for a whole long time but I learned a whole lot more then researching. instead of bashing him up about killing his snakes and bad spelling. I am pretty sure she does feel proud or anything about his snakes passing, and its rotten to keep bringing it up too. I agree he needs to have a little more experience but you really cant stop him from posting unless you boot him. and you cant judge someone by there spelling everyone makes bad spelling. I admit I have spelling worse then a 1st grader sometimes, but does that make me a bad person., no. I’m not defending him , but I’m not agreeing with how the “adults” are bashing him. Act like adult and take care of it instead of bashing him. He makes a bad post , then post, hey man that wasn’t good ……. don’t just go off the deep end and start calling him name and say don’t post until you have more experience. The day you get a snake you experience a little. You didn’t have one the day before, so. that’s just my little thoughts.

 

[Mangrove]

I so agree with you Drizzt80 but this “kid” had long disserved this, I know what you mean when you say we make mistakes put part of becoming an adult is to admit when you are wrong; and this month R_A has done a lot of things wrong and has tried on several accounts to lie his way out of it.

I do not like to do this nor do I enjoy it, I would much rather just get back to normal posts but I believe that an apology is way over due, and I do not think that this will end until R_A notices what he has done wrong, corrects it and apologizes for the craziness he has caused this last week.

That is all I ask for a heart felt apology.. :cheers:

 

[oldhand]

R_A has made some miskates and i can see both sides of the argument because i've been both side's of the fence.

R_A, need a break and someone to talk to? Get in touch.

Drizzt80 i do agree with you that he needs a bit of time out and to take a step back and look at himself and his way of doing things, also i agree that people flaming him will keep this going and get everyone and R_A knowhare fast.

Mangrove i inderstand you as well, but could you wait for an appology for a couple of weeks till R_A has a bit more knowledge and understanding and has figured out why he needs to give 1?

Ignorance is bliss sometimes, and for most people who are flaming him this is 1 of those time's when it needs to be done.

R_A get in touch if you want some advice and someone to talk to, i know what i'm talking about on this one, if you want to check the history between me and a few people have a look here http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18619 And here at the follow up i made http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18827

I am here to help as best i can, personal situation's probabley are diferant but on here they are the same, or very similar at least.

Please don't flame me people i know the difficulties and am trying to be practical.

 

[Mangrove]

Mangrove i inderstand you as well, but could you wait for an appology for a couple of weeks till R_A has a bit more knowledge and understanding and has figured out why he needs to give 1?

I am willing to wait a wile as long as the apology comes through and that he doesn’t keep up this nonsense :twoguns:

 

[oldhand]

Hopefully he'll get in touch with me, but if he doesn't their's not much i can do.

You know my "situation" and i'm trying to win back some confidence's in me, and if i can do the same for this young man then better still, but it's up to him now as the offers their.