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Questions about using room heat

bthomas

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I plan to start breeding next year and am trying to get everything set up and have been seeing alot of people using food containers for babies as they stack so easily and take up little room.
But my question is heat.. I know people say they use room heat but how is this done? I have a space heater with a built in thermostat but can i trust that alone to maintain a constant temp? Can I plug the heater into a thermostat like a vivarium electronics as some sort of failsafe?
My reptile room is just one of the bedrooms in my house so if I run a space heater in there will i have problems with it heating the rest of the house?

Ive read that keeping the room at 80-82 works well. Is there room for fluctuation or does it have to be constant?

If im understanding this correctly then heating the room takes away all need for heat mats/tape under enclosures? Is this correct?
This room will house my breeder corns as well as all babies so I wanna make sure this set up will be good for all and that no gradient is needed.

Thanks in advance for any advice you could give,
Beth
 
I personally don't have a room in my house I can dedicate to housing snakes. I understand some folks do, and that's fine. If you want to run the temperature in a room up to about 83 degrees and you can keep it there, more power to ya.

The problem(s) I see with it are as such-
1. this eliminates the heat gradient most of us strive for, 1/2 of the tank warm, 1/2 cool, so the snake can pick and choose if he wants to warm up or cool down. If you simply let the room heat the cage, then the whole cage becomes that temp, and the snake no longer has the choice.

2. I hate a house heated to 85 degrees. I can't get comfortable and sleep if it's too hot. It makes more sense to heat the house to "my" comfort level, and heat the cage to "the snake's comfort."

3. Room temperatures fluctuate with passing storms, cold fronts, weather, etc.... I try to keep the cage at a constant regardless of what's happening outside or in the rest of the house. Summer, I run AC, winter I run heat. But the snake's cage stays 85 on 1 side and 74 on the other year round.
 
Yeah all that makes sense and the gradient thing is the only thing that I worried about because I know everything I read says they need that but so many people just heat the room to a certain temp and have good results doing that.
I definitely wouldn't be heating the whole house to that temp as I do have a room debilitated to the snakes so it would just be that one room and I would have a heater on a thermostat so I *think* I should be able to get the room to around 83 and maintain that with possibly a couple degrees fluctuation here or there.

Just wanted to maybe get some details from people who keep theirs this way
 
Yeah all that makes sense and the gradient thing is the only thing that I worried about because I know everything I read says they need that but so many people just heat the room to a certain temp and have good results doing that.
I definitely wouldn't be heating the whole house to that temp as I do have a room debilitated to the snakes so it would just be that one room and I would have a heater on a thermostat so I *think* I should be able to get the room to around 83 and maintain that with possibly a couple degrees fluctuation here or there.

Just wanted to maybe get some details from people who keep theirs this way

How do you know they have good results?

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Do your research, read the books, experiment with your own ideas, and see what works and what doesn't.
 
I mean if people have said they've been breeding that way for years just fine I don't have any reason to doubt them lol
Lots of people keep their babies in stacked tubs and the only way to do that would be heat the room just wanted to make sure this was ok to do for all snakes involved
 
Actually there are ways to do it without heating the whole room, but it sounds like your already decided, so I won't comment any further.
 
I've been using ambient heat for over 5 years with success. I have the ability to isolate a room for this purpose.
I keep Colubrids and Morelia in a room that averages 80 degrees. I have an oil core radiant heater in the center of the room with an overhead ceiling fan to circulate the heat. I have the piggybacked thermostats set up for a fluctuation of 2-4 degrees. It allows for a slight decrease in temps in the evening, when it naturally cools.

I keep the male Cornsnakes on the lower levels, where it is naturally cooler.
I have bred Cornsnakes each year using this method. I incubate on a shelf in the room, and do pretty well. I do not brumate (I did the first year, but haven't since.)
It's not much different from people who live in climates where it is consistently warmer.

I've been contemplating adding radiant heat panels in my enclosures with Morelia, and dropping the room temps to mid to high 70's, and bump up the temps on feeding day for a few days. I'm not there yet, and I don't know how well it would work, but my current setup works pretty well.

Do what works for you.
 
Thank you mystic. This is what I was looking for.
What is the lowest daytime temp you think they could be kept at to be able to digest properly? (Adults and babies if it varies) I plan to heat the room to around 82- 84 but I know the lower tubs will be much cooler
 
And Karl all I was saying is that I know people have done it this way but I had not ever got to talk to anyone first hand about it
 
I've kept mine at an average of 80, it has been a good temp that is warm enough for digestion, but doesn't get too warm.
I wouldn't feel comfortable keeping an average temp of mid 80's.
At 80, my lower tubs still are warm enough for digestion. The upper tubs and enclosures would be a tad warmer but not too warm.
 
Hi bthomas! How ya been?

I live in NYC (South Brooklyn, close to Sheepshead bay & Coney Island, to be exact, which geographically is on the west end of Long Island) and have 6 and 1/2 relatively large rooms in my apartment, the smallest of which comfortably fits ALL of my snakes (4 separate vivs of 55 gallons each for my adults & yearling and over 20-something, shoebox-sized, sealable containers for my hatchlings). This room is the only one in the house without air-conditioning although if I simply open the door it can be cooled off within minutes (it used to be my office when I saw patients at home - I am also a licensed psychotherapist - but now since I have a separate office off the premises, in addition to four different places I work at during the week, I only use it sporadically to work in as it is mostly used as my snake room).

That being said, I find that due to the heat & humidity summers in this part of the country generate, I can literally turn the heaters off in early July and not even need them again until late September or early October and my snakes would all probably be fine. However. being slightly obsessive-compulsive (which CAN be adaptive if one doesn't literally go overboard!), I try to maintain mini-eco-environments in each of the large vivs so as to prevent any significant dip in the temperature. While I would rather my snakes be a little cool as opposed to TOO hot, I try to ensure that they have the appropriate heat available following every meal for at least 36-48 hours afterwards. If the room is already relatively warm, the heaters are unnecessary, but there IS a thermostat in the room which will kick all the heaters on should the ambient temp dip below 77 degrees. This doesn't always ensure that each viv has the most efficient & effective and optimal temp gradients inside (they are almost always at least 5 degrees warmer) but there isn't a significant deviation from optimal conditions and any and all of my enclosures are an improvement from how conditions would be for any cornsnake living in the wild, for certain. However, the hatchlings' enclosures rely solely upon the ambient heat in this room. Since I never plan on keeping any hatchling past 2-3 months and most should have new homes by 6-8 weeks, I don't foresee any problems and can always temporarily house any of them in one of several 10 gallon tanks I have as back-ups, all with their own dedicated heating devices. (One of the benefits of being a hoarder in some respects, because I kept around most of the setups I used for different reptiles I have kept in this room for the past 15 years or so and even have equipment stored which is sill good after 25 years!).

While a temperature gradient is optimal for cornsnakes to be able to thrive, in my opinion, everyone has to assess his or her own individual situation and capabilities. If I weren't able to provide a minimally optimal environment for my little sneaky ones, from the adults and my yearling, on down to every hatchling, I would not have the ability to engage in this hobby at this time in my life (there was a period of my life, from the late 1980's to the late 1990's, during which I was unable to care for ANY pets at all, especially while working and going to school both full-time and while living in a studio apartment in Manhattan which was so small, that when someone rang the front doorbell, the toilet bowl would simultaneously flush!).

I believe everyone should have to take these things into consideration prior to making the commitment to care for another living thing, something even as easy to care for as a corn snake. For while they are relatively easy to provide and care for, the location in which they are kept can be a challenge as discussed in this particular context. I think if everyone literally practiced taking care of their corns as to the way Karl delineates, there would probably be a lot more healthy & thriving corns out there with a significantly reduced amount of health problems. Admittedly, not even I have been able to maintain my cornsnakes on THAT level, but I am not far enough away from it to be unable to provide an excellent quality of life, in my opinion. I supervise and care for my little ones very intensely, spending an average of 2-3 hours daily with them (the fact that I only sleep 4 hours a night actually helps, as I also try to run for an hour and a half to two hours daily, on a typical day, and four days a week I'm working about 12 hours a day, so the time varies between specific days). But basic, sound husbandry practices can prevent many long-term and chronic health & behavioral problems in our little sneaky ones.

At the very least, it is all good food for thought!! Everyone who houses snakes should think about this before taking on snakes as pets and from time-to-time, to ensure that they are doing the right thing, in my humble opinion.
 
What do you think would be the lowest they could go and still get good digestion? Would 76 be too cold

BTW, while I know others might oppose this, I would NEVER provide less than 82 degrees (typically 85-87) for any corn snake I just fed! And I have NEVER had a regurgitation from any snake other than a hatchling I was force-feeding after almost 3 months of trying everything up to and including tease- & assist-feeding!

Just sayin'. :santa:
 
Beth,
Do you have a number of snakes in mind that you are going to start with?
Only corn snakes?
Starting with adults, hatchlings or both?
Did you plan on shelves or racks in the room or you were going to just stack tubs?

I have done the room heat method and rack systems so I ask these Q's just to see if room heat is the best method for you and more importantly the snakes!

Axis1, LOL
(someone rang the front doorbell, the toilet bowl would simultaneously flush!)
 
. . . Axis1, LOL
(someone rang the front doorbell, the toilet bowl would simultaneously flush!)

Yep! That and I used to save a TON of electricity just on the A/C alone, since now I have 6 and 1/2 rooms but I'm not alone anymore (the wifey & my two kitty-kats share my space), but back in the day, especially during the summer when it was HOT, all I'd have to do was open the door of the fridge and the entire apartment was air-conditioned!!! :eek1:

But that's what happens when you're a struggling student living in an inner-city (or like ME, a struggling OLDER student while simultaneously working full-time, who was in my 30's at the time since I was on my second go-round due to a delay caused by attempting to perfect BETTER LIVING THROUGH CHEMISTRY!). I was compelled to get an apartment close to work and school (both Manhattan) which was, in 1992, around $900 a month for a studio without a bathroom sink! I lucked out and got one WITH a bathroom sink but it was in a building with 16 apartments, the other 15 inhabited by adults recently released from psychiatric hospitals who were all formerly homeless and severely & persistently mentally-ill! (I was like that guy in the Hair Club for Men commercial who said, "I'm also a client!" Remember him? Sy Sperling?). But it was in the East Village, it was near my school, both undergrad & my master's program, and work, it was rent-free, and the only catch is that from Mondays through Fridays I was on duty from midnight to 8am, during which time I had to be available to take on any psychiatric emergencies (enlist the aid of emergency medical services if & when appropriate, at which I became an expert of sorts! Never a suicide on my watch during the five years I worked at the agency!).

But the apartment? Yep. So small, that when I dropped a Kleenex, I had wall-to-wall carpeting! Didn't even have enough room to change my MIND! I once came home and put my key in the lock and broke the back window!! The Welcome Mat outside my front door only said, "Well!" And if I ever ordered a large pizza, I'd have to eat it OUTSIDE!!!

Now that's pretty small!! :eek1:
 
Beth,
Do you have a number of snakes in mind that you are going to start with?
Only corn snakes?
Starting with adults, hatchlings or both?
Did you plan on shelves or racks in the room or you were going to just stack tubs?

I have done the room heat method and rack systems so I ask these Q's just to see if room heat is the best method for you and more importantly the snakes!

Axis1, LOL
(someone rang the front doorbell, the toilet bowl would simultaneously flush!)

Well I have a couple of racks now that have heat tape installed (one of which is a hatchling rack with 6 qt shoebox tubs) but I've been seeing so many people using food containers stacked on a bookshelf or something and that seems like a better option. That way I would have room for a lot more hatchlings in a small space. (My snake room is pretty small)
I was thinking I'd still keep the racks I have also for ones that get a little bigger etc but keep the heat tape unplugged if possible. I figure one heater in the room would allow less room for error as opposed to all the different heat sources, thermostats, etc. But then again it's the whole room that is hurt if something goes wrong with the room heater.
Just trying to find the best/safest/easiest/most space saving option

Right now I have adult corns in the room along with 4 hatchlings that I'm growing out but I plan to start breeding next year so expecting many more babies. Starting with corns only but could possibly add other colubrids in the future. (Specifically interested in honduran milks)
 
But the apartment? Yep. So small, that when I dropped a Kleenex, I had wall-to-wall carpeting! Didn't even have enough room to change my MIND! I once came home and put my key in the lock and broke the back window!! The Welcome Mat outside my front door only said, "Well!" And if I ever ordered a large pizza, I'd have to eat it OUTSIDE!!!

Now that's pretty small!! :eek1:

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Rodney Dangerfield and Henny Youngman would be stealing your one liners!!

I now know more about your life than MY OWN !!! LOL



(Beth, Sorry for pushing this thread off topic :) )
 
Lol no worries. I guess right now I'm leaning towards room heat but I'm worried about the low end of my Temps. I've been playing around with the space heater today and yesterday and have the heater thermostat set to 82 and that's keeping most of the room to about 82-84 with some of the higher tubs around 86. But the lower tubs are still in the 76-78 range. Without any extra heat would that be ok or too cold?
 
Personally, I would make aim for 78-79 for the lowest ambient temp on feeding day. My room stays right around 80, and with the fan circulating the heat, even the lowest tubs are at least 79.

What kind of heat source would you be using? How would you maintain the temps? Do you have a ceiling fan to help circulate the heat?
 
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