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snow mots het/homo butter...

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Somehow I lucked out and got 4 snow mots from 16 eggs of a butter het anery mot x het butter anery mot pairing! And they're all big, healthy, and feeding well! :dancer: (at least I had /some/ luck this season... )

I was at first planning to just keep a male if I made one, but with 4... well I'm tempted to keep them all and see how they develop and prove out. ^-^ They're either het butter or homozygous butter. I know Rich made a few butter snows and I think he said their color varied... I remember one photo of an awesome snow with yellow saddles, but he said they didn't all look like that? Are there any photos out there of adult definite butter snows? I couldn't find any with a few cursory searches.

The thing with this, if some of the ladies end up being homozygous and some het, it should be a good comparison, with age / gender / parents being all the same... Do you think there might be some visual differences? Is it a project worth pursuing?

Male:
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Females:
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Now that's what a motley pattern should look like!! I would keep a pair if there's a female. But that's just me...
 
I would keep them all it's a great project definitely worth pursuing! :) I don't see any difference yet, but I think it will come :) A butter snow is actually called Xanthic Snow, the Xanthic snows will mostly develop a yellow wash over their bodies.
 
chuk_138 said:
Now that's what a motley pattern should look like!! I would keep a pair if there's a female. But that's just me...
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Thanks! This pair does usually throw really nice motleys :) They've spoiled me a little ;) I like stripey mots too, but these were how I wanted my first motleys to look!
There's actually one male and three females ^-^


Cornparadise said:
I would keep them all it's a great project definitely worth pursuing! :) I don't see any difference yet, but I think it will come :) A butter snow is actually called Xanthic Snow, the Xanthic snows will mostly develop a yellow wash over their bodies.
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Thanks! Right, xanthic snow! That's a better search term - Susielea reposted a photo of the RichZ animal I was thinking of here. Apparently they don't all look like that, though...

I've been scrutinizing the snows this clutch throws for a while and I can't see any difference as babies. But it certainly seems possible they might look different as adults - consider how much newly hatched caramels look like aneries (I can tell the difference, I look for yellow at the base of the neck, but it's close). But when adults, there's a world of difference!
 
Aw, what beautiful little babies! Michael Leidner (mike171, South Texas Herps) has produced some of these. I know "xanthic snow" is often used, but you'll also see "snow caramel."

If you decide any of these babies need a new home, let me know!
 
They have at least a very nice 'motleyness' going on! They also look very creamy, so there is something to having caramel in them and worth to keep for line breeding a cool look :)
 
they're at least het. caramel but I hope there is a homo caramel in there as well. I don't think there are any xanthic snow motley's yet. Not sure. :)
 
Yarmuck said:
I don't understand... Why don't they just call them yellow snows? :sidestep:
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'Cause everybody knows that the yellow snow's where the huskies go! :crazy02:

Seriously though, "xanthic" means yellow so a xanthic snow means a snow with enhanced yellow - as long as one understands Greek! The distinction is made because "yellow snow" and "pink snow" and a few other terms refer to a look but not a genetic difference.
 
^-^ Thanks guys! I think I will be holding on to these guys... I just hope they aren't ALL one or the other ;) Ideally a 50/50 split to see if there are any visual differences.

I initially had some of the girls up for sale to see if there was interest but ehhh... I think I like this group a lot ^-^ And I am really curious to see if they change as they grow.

As to whether there are other xanthic snow mots... I've seen some photos of "possible" xanthic snow mots but none proven that I know of? I'm sure they exist, I don't know how many are known/proven though.

I may have to look into a breeding loan male in a few years though to test their genetics. I'm thinking the best test would be to a caramel or butter NOT het anery? (het or homo for stripe or motley would be nice too, while we're at it ;D )
I have a yearling golddust female that'd be good to pair the male with in a few years, at least :)
 
Gorgeous! congrats! they sure look alot like one of my mystery hatchlings from my Ultramel mot het (apparently) caramel lavender/anery(the jury is still out)x Amel mot het caramel lavender (anery?)
 

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Nice looking babies BCnJs! I think those look like snow mots? Or xanthic snow mots I guess ;)

Thanks everyone! I will hold on to these guys and see how they develop :) All four are big and eat well, and I'm not buying any baby corns this year... it was meant to be I guess!

So, I tried to take photos of them lined up, for best comparing how their colors look... no easy feat with four hatchlings XD

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Not seeing much difference yet, see how things go. #13 is the male.
 
Very nice comparison shots! So hard to see differences, but I think from my monitor, I see #15 as having the most yellow tinge in the neck area, #13 looks the pinkest.
Since you're gonna hold on to them, you'll probably see some greater difference as they get a few sheds. Hope you keep us updated!
*edit: that from the 1st pic... DOH! when I look at the closer body shot, the opposite is true 13 yellowish, 15 pinker
 
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Very nice comparison shots! So hard to see differences, but I think from my monitor, I see #15 as having the most yellow tinge in the neck area, #13 looks the pinkest.
Since you're gonna hold on to them, you'll probably see some greater difference as they get a few sheds. Hope you keep us updated!
*edit: that from the 1st pic... DOH! when I look at the closer body shot, the opposite is true 13 yellowish, 15 pinker
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I agree! The colors in the first photo are a little weird but the second is about what I thought they looked like when I was handling them - #13 seemed very slightly peachier than the others. Then again, he's also the one male so, I've heard sometimes they can be a little more colorful than the ladies?

I will definitely take more photos once they've grown a bit :)
 
Great motleyness!

I had a female that i suspected of being xanthic, but i never got to prove her out.
 

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