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So Alan's wife and I will be going to my sister's school sometime next week. We will have an Okeetee 9 month old corn and a full grown Amel, I feel that shows how wide the range can be. I know that there are many morphs out there that we are missing but we work with what we have.

Each class in 45 mins and I think we will do two classes. As far as the time went I was thinking only 10-15 mins of handling after some teaching. So my question to all of you is what should we cover and in what order?

Please don't give me searches, I have already done it so it would be pointless. I'm asking so I can get updated thoughts, maybe someone found a way that works better.

How should I cover the other morphs? I was thinking maybe a slide show going while we talk or would the kids be watching that and not listening?

Any thoughts and ideas would be great. I know many of you are teachers so tips on how to control a class would be great also.

Thank you!
 
Sounds like a great idea! :)

I think a PowerPoint presentation would be ideal. I think slides about size etc., their prey, natural habitat, how to keep them in captivity (so housing, temps etc.), a morph list along with pictures (but not too many, as we know all too well how many there are, LOL) and maybe a slide stating common misconceptions about snakes. Then you could open it up to some Q & A, and then do a handling display and allow them to handle them. Take a bottle of sanitiser with you for that purpose.

As long as you are authorative and confident in yourself, they should listen to you. After all, it's a very interesting topic ;) How old are they going to be?

All the best

David
 
I think we will be seeing an 8th grade class but I'm not 100% sure.

Thanks David. I'll try to come up with something.

What should we carry them in? I was thinking just a pillow case but what about heat? Those hand warmers could work but how hot do they get?
 
I would say what kind of class is it? How old are the students?
I mean if they are under 13, forget talking about the morphs, they are not interested in hearing about that. You can talk about their colors but do not go into Genetics with young kids. Half the class will be bored.
Now if you are talking to a High school science class, now that is a different story. I would go in depth in the genetics and talk about how varied it is.
But again the younger kids, just tell stories about your snakes, ask them questions about their perceptions are about reptiles.

A friend of mine who is a doctor came by last saturday and I showed her what a normal looks like. Then I showed her how varied they can be between normals and then I showed her the Amels, butter, an anery, just to give her a wide difference how they can look. She fell in love with my Amel Wyldfyre (do a search for him in the photo section)

This Thursday, I am going to show a grade school some of my animals. I am pretty excited about this. We are bringing a variety of animals to the school.
I do not plan on allowing any of the children to hold any of the animals period.
It is rule number one, accidents happen and I do not want to be part of a lawsuit due to my snake bitting little Billy. I have done many hands on events and worked with people on education with herps. Keep yourself safe and do not allow any one to hold your animals. This will protect you legally and also protect your animals.

To carry your animals, just use a pillow case. I typically place my animals in a cooler to carry them in. This is the easiest way. If its really nice out, you can use a pillow case/snake bag and a shoe box to carry each snake in as well.
There should be no need to keep your animals to warm a cooler will keep them fine, I doubt your area is below freezing right now and comfortable temps for us is fine for your snake as well.
 
So we should hold the snakes and if they want to touch they can just not hold?
Correct, have them touch the body and tail end. keep the head towards you.
Also keep hand sanitizer with you at your show as well. You do not want to pass anything from your herps to the kids as well. I heard a rumor that some kids got sick after touching a snake at a local zoo and now the parents want to have the zoo to pay the bills. Remember to never allow children under 2 hold or touch a reptile, they do not have the immune system to handle herp centered bacteria.
 
I hope there won't be any 2 year olds there...

Alan and I just talked. We are thinking about having a caresheet to pass out and have a slide show going before and maybe to use to show and explain a bit out how the colors differ.
 
I hope there won't be any 2 year olds there...

Alan and I just talked. We are thinking about having a caresheet to pass out and have a slide show going before and maybe to use to show and explain a bit out how the colors differ.

How old is the class? I think a care sheet will not matter. They will view this as fun time. Try to make it fun and educational. I would talk to the teacher and get their opinion about hand outs. But seriously, if they are young kids, they will want to see snakes and talk about snakes but not care about care sheets. If they are interested, leave a list of books with their teacher. Have them go out and do the research themselves.
As animals go, bring a variety of colors and sizes. That will have a huge impact. on the children.
Remember to focus on the fun part more than the educational part. But do not forget about adding some education to the talk.
 
We were thinking caresheets to go home with the kids so if they start talking to their parents, the parents have a starting point for learning.

We only have two morphs Amel and Okeetee. It's all I have been able to get ahole of so that will have to do.

What kind of fun things could be done? Last thing I want is to stress the snakes out.

Thanks for all your help.

The class is 8th graders so 13-15 I'm guessing.
 
Well, I did my son's 6th grade class this year and they were just facinated in seeing the snakes stick their tongues out and watching how they moved across the table :) They did have some really good questions for maybe for part of it you might just want to open it up to question/answer type of time. They wanted to know how small they were when they were just hatched..... so if you have a tiny skin from hatchling size, maybe take that?? For some reason skins seem to be very interesting :) Most of our time was spent on q and a time. Good luck and have a great time! Its always great going into schools :)
 
In my experience with 8th graders for the last year, you can tell them what you want, and then you can ask for questions, and things will then go where you never imagined. Kids will tell you that their brother was bitten by an anaconda, and you will tell them that you think that's pretty unlikely because . . . and some other kid will tell you that their father has a cobra that they hold all the time, and you will tell them that you think it might be some other kind of snake because . . .

The biggest mystery for kids that age is how snakes poop and pee and lay eggs. You have to show them the cloaca. Then, they're like, "Ohhhhhhhhhhh!"
 
Haha. Great. This should be fun. Thanks for the help I'll be posting the caresheet for everyone to look at to make sure it's simple but has enough information that the parents have a good head start.
 
Ok here is the care sheet.

This is an outline of the basic necessities for a corn snake, but you should do your own research to improve your ability to care for your corn snake.
Check List:
Cage (10-50 gallon) Bedding Water Bowl UTH
Hiding Spots Thermometer (Digital with probe) Hygrometer
Thermostat or Rheostat Frozen Food Gram scale Snake

Corn Snakes:
Corn snakes are the most popular pet snake in the world, and that’s because they are perfectly suited to living in captivity. They are calm, easily handled, and easily kept snakes. They grow to between 3.5 and 5 feet, although snakes over 5 feet are not uncommon. Their medium size makes keeping them simple and handling easy. They are wonderful snakes and the number of color morphs available makes them a colorful addition to any house or collection. Many live past 20 years so owning a corn snake is a lifelong event and you need to be sure you can provide the snake with a home.

Quick Note:
Your snake needs time to settle into its new home. Place your new snake in its fully set-up cage and restrain that urge to handle your new pet - we all know the urge - and let the snake have 3 days to itself without being handled. At that point offer it its first meal as described below. Following that meal you have to wait another 2 days before taking out your hatchling. I know, the agony! But it’s the best for the snake, and that’s what’s most important. After that first meal is down and digested properly care for your new snake and it will be a wonderful pet!

Housing:
A hatchling corn snake is comfortable in a 10 gallon cage for at least the first year of its life, and often longer. For the rest of the snake’s life it needs a cage at least half the length of its body. A 20 gallon long cage is generally considered the minimum size cage for an adult corn snake to live in comfortably and a slightly larger cage (30-50 gallon) is always a good idea. Corn snake hatchlings don’t enjoy wide open spaces in their cages, so if you are going to house a small hatchling in a 20 gallon cage to avoid buying a new cage in a year you will want to make sure there is plenty of décor and fake foliage (adults will quickly destroy live plants) to make the hatchling more comfortable and encourage it to explore.

Corn snakes are also great escape artists so make sure there is no way for your new hatchling to get out of its cage. Any hole larger than the snake’s snout will let the snake slip out. Corns will also push up a lid and slip out that way, so make sure the top of your cage is weighted down, clamped down, or otherwise secured. One of the best readily available tank for corns is the critter cage, which many pet stores including PetSmart and Petco carry. It closes securely with two clips and has two small slits in the back to allow for thermostat and thermometer probe cords, but are too small for even the smallest hatchling to slip out of. The cages also have a slot for a lock to further prevent escapes.

Corns need good ventilation but too much may cause problems with humidity or temperature. The best solution is to have a few large, screened holes in the cage or have the entire top screened off. Most cages, unless made entirely of screen, will work well.

The last, and probably one of the most important parts of housing corn snakes is that you must not house multiple snakes in one enclosure. The list of things that can go wrong is long, and includes pre-mature breeding (which can be deadly), stressing out the snakes, and cannibalism. There are a few people who will tell you there is nothing wrong with co-habitation, but the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming and all respectable breeders house corn snakes alone. Corns are not social creatures, and do not enjoy staying together. Keeping them together will only cause problems.

Handling:
You can handle your corn! As long as you wait the 2 days after each feeding you will be fine. If you have never handled a snake before, start by holding the snake while it’s still in the cage close to the bedding. That way if you jump or drop the snake it won’t get hurt. Once you have a feel for the way it moves you can move away from the cage. Keep handling to no more than 5 minutes for the first few weeks. After awhile you can lengthen the time but try to keep it under 30 minutes at any given time.

Yes corns can bite but the pain, if any, will not be enough to harm you. Don’t give up on the snake if it bites you, it’s not the snakes fault. You are huge and grabbing it, think about how you would act if you were the snake and not the human. If you are worried about getting bitten you can wear rubber gloves until you feel like you can handle the snake without them.

Substrate, water and hides:
Corns need a substrate that will absorb liquids to prevent bacteria growth and won’t harm the snake. The preferred substrate by many breeders and keepers is shredded aspen, but multiple layers of newspaper, coconut based beddings such as Eco Earth, some other shredded woods, and many commercial beddings work well too. DO NOT USE pine, cedar, fir, gravel or sand as they are either not absorbent or are toxic to the snake. I recommend aspen because corn snakes love to burrow in it, it is absorbent, covers up smell, and looks better than newspaper.

Corn snakes need to have a water bowl in their enclosure, preferably big enough for the snake to soak in to cool off or to loosen skin prior to shedding. City tap water is often chlorinated but is safe to use for your snake. Do not use distilled water as it does not contain the necessary minerals to keep the snake healthy. The water should be changed at least twice a week as well as whenever it appears cloudy or has been soiled.

The cage should have 2 hides to make the snake feel secure, as corns don’t have great eyesight and prefer to be able to hide in a small, dark house. There should be at least one hide on the warm side of the cage and one on the cool side (more on heating in the Heating section) to allow the snake to thermo-regulate. The hides should not be massive as corns enjoy curling up in a small place for comfort, but make sure the snake can comfortably fit in the hide and you will be able to remove the hide from above the snake to get access to your corn. Extra cover for hatchlings, as mentioned earlier is also important to make your young snake feel secure.

Although corn snakes often climb in the wild for a variety of reasons, they do not often make use of the height of a tank in captivity, and a stick or something else for the snake to climb on is not necessary. Many breeders have too little space and too many snakes to give each snake a lot of vertical space, but if possible I believe it is a good idea if only to give the snake the option to climb. The snake will be comfortable either way.

Heating and Humidity:
The preferred method for heating a corn snake’s cage is by using an under-tank heater (UTH) stuck to one end of the bottom of the tank. Make sure the heater covers no more than one half of the bottom of the tank so that the snake will have a warm area and a cool area to choose from when trying to find the right temperature. The UTH needs to be regulated, preferably by a thermostat although a rheostat works too, so that the UTH will not get excessively hot and harm your snake. Set the thermostat so that the temperature on the glass directly above the heat pad and under the substrate reads between 85 and 89 degrees Fahrenheit. I keep the warmest point above the UTH in my adults’ tanks at 88 degrees. This gives the snake a very warm spot to lie in if needed, but is not hot enough to hurt the snake. Temperatures above 90 degrees F should be carefully avoided for the safety of your snake. If temperatures are too low the snake may refuse to eat because the cage is not warm enough to allow easy digestion. The cool side needs no heating and preferably it should be in the mid to high 70’s. This set up will provide a comfortable home for your corn. Make sure to test this for at least a week before getting your snake to make sure everything is set correctly.

One common question is if a heat lamp or lighting is required. The answer is no, no heat lamp needs to be used and if it is used it will often lower the humidity considerably, and so should probably not be used at all. You can use a florescent light or other light in your snake’s cage, but it is not necessary and is only for better displaying the corn, not for the benefit of the snake. If a light is used make sure to turn off the light for a period of time each day (8 hours is probably a minimum, although I have never used lights) to allow for a night and day cycle.

The humidity in a corn snake’s cage should stay around 45%, but anywhere from 35% to 60% is fine. If the humidity is too low then the snake will have a very hard time shedding which can lead to worse problems. When you notice your snake is in ‘blue’, looking dull in color and eyes have a blue tint to them, mist the cage about once a day until the snake sheds. That will ensure humidity is high enough to allow the snake to shed easily. If the humidity is consistently too high your snake may develop a respiratory infection (RI), caused by the increased humidity. Immediately air out the cage to lower the humidity and contact a reptile vet. (Go to www.herpvetconnection.com to find a vet)

Feeding:
Hatchling corn snakes are fed as often as once every 4 days, and adults are normally fed once every 10 days on frozen/thawed mice. This varies greatly. While the hatchling is eating pinky mice, the smallest available size, it should be fed once every 4 or 5 days. When eating fuzzies and hoppers, the snake can be fed a little less often, about every 5-6 days. When the snake reaches the size to eat small mice/weaned mice the snake should be fed every 7 days. From there the snake will need slightly larger mice later on, but should be fed no more than every 7 days. If the snake is gaining excess weight and has skin showing between its scales or has what many call ‘hips’ (excess fat that shows as a very sudden narrowing of the body at the cloaca) the feeding can be as seldom as once every 2 weeks. Remember this is just a guide-line. Each snake is different and you will need to adjust for your snake as it grows.

The best way to judge the size of the food item a snake should be fed is to judge the width of the mouse and the width of the snake at its widest point. The food item should be between 1 and 1.5 times the diameter of the snake’s thickest point. This, along with the suggested feeding frequencies above should keep your snake healthy, happy, and growing fast.

Feeding should occur at dusk, when corns are naturally more active and looking for food. The snake should be removed from his cage a put in another container, like a plastic shoe box or Tupperware, for feeding, and the mouse should be heated up in hot water from the tap (you can microwave the water but not the mouse) to around 100 degrees F. The mouse needs to warm to encourage the snake to eat and completely thawed. The mouse is then dropped into the container with the snake, the lid is put on, and the snake is left to eat in a dark, quite place. Check back on the snake after 15 minutes or so and see if the snake has eaten. If not, leave the snake for another 15 minutes and the snake should have finished off its meal. Once the snake has eaten and the mouse has moved a third of the way down its body gently move it back into its tank.

After feeding a snake needs time to digest the large meal, and so should not be handled or disturbed for at least 48 hours (2 days) after feeding, at which time the snake has digested the mouse enough to be handled again. The main danger with handling a snake in this 48 hour period is that the snake may regurgitate its meal, which can be very hard on the snake’s system, especially if it regurgitates multiple meals in a row. If the snake does regurgitate its meal wait 10 days to try and feed again, the snake’s system needs to settle. Step down in the size of the meal being offered also can help.

Resources:
www.Cornsnakes.com (A great site with a lot of information and helpful members.)
Corn Snakes: The Comprehensive Owner’s Guide - By Bill and Kathy Love
Available at www.cornutopia.com
Corn Snakes in Captivity - By Don Soderberg
Available at www.cornsnakes.net

Final Note:
While the easy simple way to get a new snake would be to go to PetSmart or Petco and pick one up but there is are problems with that. Many of those snakes are exposed to mites and other problems that will cost you more money later on. The best way to get yourself a new corn snake is from a breeder. You can attend a local show, http://www.mdreptilefarm.com/shows/va/nva.asp. Or you could find an online breeder to get your corn snake from. There are many breeders on www.cornsnakes.com that have a large amount of snakes to pick from. Good luck! If you have any questions my email is ___________, I will gladly help you on your quest to find the prefect snake.
 
Ok, I would have to can the politics on your care sheet on petco and petsmart.
Final Note:
While the easy simple way to get a new snake would be to go to PetSmart or Petco and pick one up but there is are problems with that. Many of those snakes are exposed to mites and other problems that will cost you more money later on. The best way to get yourself a new corn snake is from a breeder. You can attend a local show, http://www.mdreptilefarm.com/shows/va/nva.asp. Or you could find an online breeder to get your corn snake from. There are many breeders on www.cornsnakes.com that have a large amount of snakes to pick from. Good luck! If you have any questions my email is ___________, I will gladly help you on your quest to find the prefect snake.
Your purpose is there to educate them on corn snakes, not sell them one. Talk about the animal and how cool it is to own one. Talk about keeping them as pets but please, i think you are going way to deep in this.
Plus, if you hand out a sheet to a child whose parent is a manager at a box store well, you could open up the school to a small lawsuit because of your politics. Keep your opinions to yourself and stay to the facts, Petco/Petsmart having bad animals isn't fact, its hear-say.

I just got done doing a herp show for a group of second graders. They had a blast cause they got to see all the animals and touch them. Many of the children there never got to touch a snake before did so today. One girl never touched a turtle in her life. I had her hold out her hand while i placed a very calm box turtle in her hands.
The show is about the wonderment of it all, they learn respect and love of the animals. I am not there to sell them pets, but to teach them something new about life and the environment.
 
So just leave out the final note all together?

Yes. Now if someone comes up to you and ask where to buy a snake, you can give a recommendation. Personally, I do not think you should give out any caresheets. The kids will not care for them and they will end up in the trash. I would just print off about 5-10 sheets and then tell kids you have some if they want any and can pick them up from the teacher.

Remember to watch your audience. If you get to technical they will get glassy eyed and want to fall asleep. So you have to gauge it to them and what they want to hear and talk about, not what you want to say.

Remember, your audience isn't a vet school but either pre-teens to high schoolers. Give them the basics, I would bring a cage and show them how to set one up. Show them the proper types of bowls to use, hides and talk about how often they eat.
 
Alright. Alan says his wife is good with kids so she should be able to help me keep on track. I talked to the teacher today and she said that caresheets would be fine but I guess your idea would work best. If they want one then the teacher can hand them out.


The tank set-up is a good idea. I have a 30 g that is not being used I could bring that in to use as a dummy tank. Only think is I don't have UTH for it, do you think that will matter or can we just show where it would go with like paper?

Thanks again for your help.
 
Check List:
Cage (10-50 gallon)
Bedding
water Bowl
UTH (what is this? to a newbie, they have no clue what this is)
Hiding Spots
Thermometer (Digital with probe) Hygrometer
Thermostat or Rheostat
Frozen Food (are we talking ice cream here? Explain)
Gram scale (this could be left out as well, they do not need this to keep a snake happy.)
Snake

But instead of creating my own, I would just print up VMS herps care sheet or just show kids Kathy Love's Corn Snake manual.
 
Alright. Alan says his wife is good with kids so she should be able to help me keep on track. I talked to the teacher today and she said that caresheets would be fine but I guess your idea would work best. If they want one then the teacher can hand them out.


The tank set-up is a good idea. I have a 30 g that is not being used I could bring that in to use as a dummy tank. Only think is I don't have UTH for it, do you think that will matter or can we just show where it would go with like paper?

Thanks again for your help.

Just keep it simple..
Just show them what a basic cage setup looks like. I would skip the heater but make mention of it. Heck, in my herp room, none of my corns have heat pads. My room is a constant temp, the only herps that have the added heat are my tropical snakes.
 
I took out the part about pecto and petsmart and just left my email. Is there anyway we could pick it apart to just the basics?
 
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