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The offspring of a butter motley and a ghost??

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canicemok

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I just bought a corn hatchling from a breeder. He said my hatchling is a ghost motley. Its father is a butter motley which is pretty obvious in the photo. Its mother is a ghost but in the photo she didn't look like a ghost. Most of the offsprings got from them are ghost motley. I think it is impossible since even the mother is a het motley, the chance of getting a motley offspring is only 50% chance.

My first question is whats the morph of my little guy? Is it a ghost motley or only an anery motley?
Second question is why the ghost mother looks so dark and unclear?
Third question is what is the possible genotype of the parents?

Thank you!!
 

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The baby pictured to me looks like an anery motley or dark ghost motley.
The last picture is a butter motley, but
The snake in the second photo does not even look like a corn snake. Everglades rat snake perhaps. Not ghost looking either. Is that supposed to be the mom?
 
ghosthousecorns said:
The baby pictured to me looks like an anery motley or dark ghost motley.
The last picture is a butter motley, but
The snake in the second photo does not even look like a corn snake. Everglades rat snake perhaps. Not ghost looking either. Is that supposed to be the mom?
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That's what the breeder sent me. I don't think the mother looks like a corn snake either. Will it possible that my hatchling is a hybrid of corn snake and some kind of rat snake?
 
I would say that the baby looks like anery motley, and that 'mum' doesn't look like a corn snake. If it is one it's definitely not a ghost, but I've never seen a true corn with as dark a base shade as that, and it's head doesn't looks quite corn either. It looks like an Eastern rat snake to me but I'm no expert.

If it really is the mother, it must have a bit of corn in it, as it must carry motley to have produced motley offspring and to my knowledge the only source of motley is a corn snake. Regardless, if that female is indeed not entirely corn and is indeed your snake's mother, then yes, your corn is a hybrid. I'm a little sceptical that that is your snake's mother, however - yours looks fully corn, but I guess that could happen.
 
Just got the female photo from the breeder. He said the female is not a rat snake since the head and neck is smaller than a normal rat snake. Do you guys have any idea what is species or morph of this female? Thanks.
 

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Funny your pic has a king snake pic in it because my first thought form the first pic was that it was some sort of hybrid like a king/corn cross. I also thought that it was dark in the first pic because she was going to shed soon. I wonder if he thinking asian instead of american when referencing rat snakes.
I want Mom whatever she is LOL......
 
Still not convinced it's a full-blooded corn - doesn't look to be enough contrast between the saddles and background. Maybe a yellow rat or hybrid thereof? Or I could be totally wrong :p
 
Boy I was just looking for info on another snake and came across this pic!
Looks like the Mom in question !!
It was posted by Ratsncorns and had this info posted ...... "Carmen is here on loan from Beth (Starsevol), she is a caramel motley het amel".
If in fact Carmen is a caramel motley and I don't doubt it since I have 2 caramel motleys in my collection (which I forgot I had lol! damn senility!) I would say your hatchlings mom is a caramel motley...
Good call hypnoctopus on the caramel ;)
 

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OK the first photo of her really had me thinking rat snake, guess the darkish photo with some distortion through the plexiglass kind of gave her that appearance. Looks to be a lovely dark caramel motley, in this most recent photo, though.
 
daddio207 said:
Boy I was just looking for info on another snake and came across this pic!
Looks like the Mom in question !!
It was posted by Ratsncorns and had this info posted ...... "Carmen is here on loan from Beth (Starsevol), she is a caramel motley het amel".
If in fact Carmen is a caramel motley and I don't doubt it since I have 2 caramel motleys in my collection (which I forgot I had lol! damn senility!) I would say your hatchlings mom is a caramel motley...
Good call hypnoctopus on the caramel ;)
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hey! This one is exactly the same as the mom in my photo. So my hatchling is not a hybrid. Thank you very much!
 
ghosthousecorns said:
OK the first photo of her really had me thinking rat snake, guess the darkish photo with some distortion through the plexiglass kind of gave her that appearance. Looks to be a lovely dark caramel motley, in this most recent photo, though.
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Beat yeah by 7 minutes LOL Just kidding around of course :)
Wish my caramel motleys looked as good as the recent photos. This go's to show that pics can be far from reality ! That being said I've always known I have low color acuity and sadly I didn't recognize a snake morph I have. :awcrap:
 
Hey guys I just used an online calculator to find out the genotype of my baby corn. And the results are as follows.

Female: Caramel Motley
Male: Butter Motley
1/1 (100%) chance per hatchling:
Genotype: Caramel, Motley, het Amelanistic
Phenotype: Caramel Motley

But my hatchling doesn't seem to be a caramel motley. She looks like anery or ghost motley. How is this possible?
 
canicemok said:
hey! This one is exactly the same as the mom in my photo. So my hatchling is not a hybrid. Thank you very much!
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Your welcome but I'm almost embarrassed to take any credit as I thought hybrid initially and I have that morph in my collection !!!!
 
Haha, well goes to show what I know!

I'm very glad you figured out what mum was and what baby is too; good sleuthing!
 
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