The old okeetee vs. lookatee debate:

[Roy Munson]

This is one of those discussions where agreeing to disagree can be a very sensible thing to do.

If we are to CORRECTLY use the tools/words, we should realize that Okeetee Phase has one meaning, while Okeetee Locality has another.

I realize the difference, and I use both modifiers (i.e. phase and locality), but even these descriptions have multiple definitions. When I purchased my Love Okeetee and my Abbott's, one of the reasons I went with those lines was that they were descended from locality Okeetee stock. I could safely call them Okeetees without additional tags. But many would say that generation F57 Okeetees are not "true" Okeetees. Heck, some would say that captive hatched corns can never be considered "true" Okeetees, even in F1 from wild-caught. And then there are those who might not consider a snake that was chased from inside the Hunt Club borders, but caught outside of them a "true" Okeetee. The boundaries become a little useless anyway when you consider that a corn hatched in Jasper County might likely wander into another county. Where do you really draw the lines?

I really do respect your opinion, but I haven't even answered these questions satisfactorily for myself.

Here's what I think of, when I consider the terms (at the moment :grin01: ) :

Okeetee-Phase: Corn of any ancestry that matches classic Okeetee description.
Okeetee-Locality:Not necessarily Okeetee-Phase. Caught within boundaries of a place with "Okeetee" in its name.
Okeetee (without modifier): Okeetee-Phase corn with Okeetee "region" heritage (including Jasper Co., I guess).

But I don't even know if I agree with my interpretation of these terms. And I don't want to start calling my snakes Abbott's Okeetee-Phase. But I'm sure that some think that I should. If locality were really important to me, I'd have to go to the Hunt Club and find my own. How else could I really know what I'm getting for sure? But I wonder how long I'd have to look to find one anywhere near as nice as the one I got from Kathy Love. I dunno. I'll quit rambling. :shrugs:

 

[Serpwidgets]

Are we to infer that Serpwidgets was there, back when the term Okeetee was first applied to a Cornsnake? I will go ahead and say that I seriously doubt that.

I don't need to have been anywhere, he wrote it down in a book, which anyone can read. If that is the basis for your position, then your position is without merit.

I personally favor deferring to experts

Please name the experts you are deferring to, and quote (not paraphrase but quote) them, so that we can all see the basis for your position. :wavey: