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"Tiny" miracle (47 gr)

Marina-m2 said:
I agree with the original poster on the use of racks they are hideous devices to use. Snakes do not choose to be stuffed in a plastic box with little or no exercise stuffed full of meat and expected just to lay eggs every year without fail.

All my snakes get full sized vivs with maximum space and regular handling plenty of climbing branches and access to daylight
!!

Marina:)
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First off, we do not stuff them full of meat, only Dean does that, we starve them so that we can make more money off them.... :rolleyes:

and secondly, what is a fullsized viv? with maximum space? if that was true you would only have one, and its viv could be huge, why have two? you should have one with a twice as large viv! regular handling? that is very natural. And access to day light, so i am guessing that you have this daylight hooked up to a thermostat. because sunlight that is being magnified my glass can be very warm. Would you like to live in a normal sized house? with food and water given to you whenever it is needed, or a large house, that is kept too warm for you, and regularly some giant comes and fondles you?
 
cornsnakekid92 said:
First off, we do not stuff them full of meat, only Dean does that...
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Why I oughtta... Good thing I'm not hypersensitive. ;)

Would you like to live in a normal sized house? with food and water given to you whenever it is needed, or a large house, that is kept too warm for you, and regularly some giant comes and fondles you?
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Hmmm. I guess it depends. If it's a large, hot house, and I'm owned by a giant (but proportional) Carmen Electra... :grin01:
 
well Dean, you know how some people have the same name? do you really want that? this is the carmen elctra i found. (the black is censorship)

:grin01:
 
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Roy Munson said:
Hmmm. I guess it depends. If it's a large, hot house, and I'm owned by a giant (but proportional) Carmen Electra... :grin01:
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
The Carmen Electra reference was fine (like Carmen). It was the qualifier that did me in on this one.

regards,
jazz
 
cornsnakekid92 said:
well Dean, you know how some people have the same name? do you really want that? this is the carmen elctra i found. (the black is censorship)
:grin01:
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:awcrap: I guess censorship's not always a bad thing. ;) By the way, when are you going to send me your Mom's email address? She should be told what a sick, sick boy you are, and get you some help. :grin01:
 
gwb8568 said:
:eek1: 14 years old !!! :shrugs:
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It did not show anything bad, but ... i think you can understand why i censored it, and it came off a joke site, not what you are thinking....:sidestep:
 
cornsnakekid92 said:
well Dean, you know how some people have the same name? do you really want that? this is the carmen elctra i found. (the black is censorship)

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Thank God you censored it, I nearly choked on my coffee anyway :grin01:
 
First of all....
If I offended anyone, I apologize!!! I didn't mean to!
(Roy, I didn't mean that the way it sounded)
For the ones who agree with the original topic starter (me) about being agains racking.....
I never said I was against anything!!
that I don't keep em in rackings doesn't mean I am against it!
I keep snakes becuase they are beautifull and I want to see them.
Also I am not some 12 year old who doesn't know what she is doing.
I made a mistake and I learned from it.
Sure as hell will make sure I know the gender!
I Know how to recognize stress and if that appears I will house them separately.
Ofcourse I like it when my snakes breed but it's not a must.
Tiny wasn't supposed to breed at all, ever!
About her eggs and offspring, the eggs were bigger than the eggs of the bigger corns here as well as the other babies. Tiny's babies are strong and good eaters.

I love my snakes (and gecko's) more than anything in the world and I do take good care of them!

And for the people a may have offended....
I know I have a sharp tonque sometimes and in Dutch it's probably even worse.
My English isn't as perfect as I would like it to be and sometimes I can't find the right word for what I mean.
I can sound kindda bitchy when I don't mean to.
Sorry!!
 
I cannot possibly see how anyone thinks racks are any worse or better than any other enclosure. I've been to a lot of breeder's houses and have seen some awesome rack setups with more space in them than many 20 gl. vivs. I personally use vivs right now because I like to be able to view my animals more easily. The plastic tubs in the racks are usually not as clear as glass. I suspect if you were able to ask the snakes, they would feel more secure in something that wasn't quite so open feeling. Most of the snakes at my friends houses are handled regularly and some are even used at schools for educational purposes. You really aught to check out the facts before you start deciding that racks are cruel enclosures and breeders are all horrible people. My snakes will not be bred every year, especially if they had a hard time recovering from laying a lot of eggs. Most of us care a great deal about our breeder animals and their well-being. If nothing else, a dead or stressed animal brings in no money.
 
Like I just said in my prev post.
I am NOT against racking!
Never said it was cruel, never said breeders are horrible people, so I hope you didn't mean me with "you should get your facts straight"
I know a lot of people who do use racking and they are great breeders (some of them even good friends)

I didn't start this topic to discuss racking or not.

On topic for a change,
I am happy that Tiny and her offspring are healthy and strong.
She wasn't supposed to breed and I never would have forgiven myself if she hadn't made it.
I just wondered if anyone heard of this before, 47 gram after laying eggs and still lived.
Every year you hear people talking about a snake dying while laying eggs. To young, to small, not healthy enough.
Most of these snakes were at least twice as big as Tiny.
Don't get me wrong, I am not proud of my "miracle" or what ever but a lot of people say "that must have been the smallest corn laying eggs ever"
 
Eternity said:
Like I just said in my prev post.
I am NOT against racking!
Never said it was cruel, never said breeders are horrible people, so I hope you didn't mean me with "you should get your facts straight"
I know a lot of people who do use racking and they are great breeders (some of them even good friends)

I didn't start this topic to discuss racking or not.

On topic for a change,
I am happy that Tiny and her offspring are healthy and strong.
She wasn't supposed to breed and I never would have forgiven myself if she hadn't made it.
I just wondered if anyone heard of this before, 47 gram after laying eggs and still lived.
Every year you hear people talking about a snake dying while laying eggs. To young, to small, not healthy enough.
Most of these snakes were at least twice as big as Tiny.
Don't get me wrong, I am not proud of my "miracle" or what ever but a lot of people say "that must have been the smallest corn laying eggs ever"
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My reply (and alot of others I'd imagine) was not to your rack comment. It was Marina-m2's comment that sparked my ranting.

And about the original topic, no, I have never heard of a snake laying eggs at that weight. She is very lucky to have passed the eggs and survived, and I'm glad that you didn't lose her.
But remember, unplanned breeding is just one reason to avoid cohabitation. You can keep your snakes however you'd like, but you really should consider what is best for them.
 
Thanks.

I do consider what is best for my snakes.
To bad they can't tell me what they like most, so I have to decide for them.
Lot of people, lot of diferent opinions.
Everyone thinks his or her way is the best way.
I just do it my way and my snakes are in perfect health.
They eat well, they grow well, they shed well.
I don't handle them much, only for feeding or cleening the enclosure.
I allways feed them separatly out side the enclosure. While they are eating, I can clean up.

I am not going to discuss what would be better. Vivs or racking.
You do it your way, I do it my way.
We all want what's best for our animals, we all have a different way..
 
So are you saying you're still co-habitating these two animals even after she had an unplanned pregnancy and will do so again???
 
I bought my snake from an evil breeder just to save him from having to live in a rack. Those pet-store snakes don't know how good they have it. And the deli cup he came in? OMG! She must have sat on the thing just to get it closed.

Now he's a happy go-lucky hatchling most of the time, and I'm giving him therapy for when he has those awful flashbacks.

Still spending almost all of his time buried under the substrate on the warm side, though...

-Sean
 
Marina-m2 said:
I agree with the original poster on the use of racks they are hideous devices to use. Snakes do not choose to be stuffed in a plastic box with little or no exercise
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Snakes do not choose to be stuffed in big glass boxes with fake plants to have people pestering them all day long. Free the captives! :rolleyes:

Marina-m2 said:
stuffed full of meat and expected just to lay eggs every year without fail.
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Oh how horrible it must be to be kept well fed and be able to produce healthy, hardy offspring better than they would in the wild.

Marina-m2 said:
All my snakes get full sized vivs with maximum space and regular handling plenty of climbing branches and access to daylight
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Most snakes are nocturnal or prefer low light levels. Most colubrid snakes prefer more horizonatal space compared to vertical. All rack systems I've seen on this site, INCLUDING the one I am building for my brood, include tubs with the same amount of floor space and more secure surroundings than a viv.

Wow, just wow. :flames:
 
Teratoma said:
I bought my snake from an evil breeder just to save him from having to live in a rack. Those pet-store snakes don't know how good they have it. And the deli cup he came in? OMG! She must have sat on the thing just to get it closed.

Now he's a happy go-lucky hatchling most of the time, and I'm giving him therapy for when he has those awful flashbacks.

Still spending almost all of his time buried under the substrate on the warm side, though...

-Sean
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you are kidding right?
 
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