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Ultra, Not Ultramel, Aneries?

carnivorouszoo

carnivorouszoo

Crazy Critter Lady
I was wondering if anyone has seen an ultra anery? Trying to determine if my hypos might actually be ultramels, and my "ghosts" actually ultramel aneries. For future refference I am wondering what an ultra anery would look like because if one of the paler anery types is a male I want to test breed back to my anery girl to prove it out. Going to breed back one of the "hypo"s back to the amel who fathered them to test him. Just fed everyone but if anyone has any tips on telling ultramels from hypos that would be great lol.
 
This was my exact dilemna last year, and appears might be again. Female was sold to me as an ultramel anery, but that's been questioned. Babies could have been ultramels and ultramel aneries or ghosts and hypos! Now I have a hatchling from the same dad, bred to a snow, and was expecting anery/amel/snow stripes/normal patterns, and normals. First baby out is either a ghost or an ultramel anery. Will definitely be following this thread to hopefully get some answers myself!
 
Yeah when I found out that its harder to tell a hypo from an ultramel my head spun! Any tips on IDing would be great though I checked and if I breed the "hypos" back to their dad I will either get normals, hypos, anery pos het hypo and ghosts, or I will get ultramels, amels, aneries and snows. Just have to wait 3-4 years to do the test lol.
 
Well, from what I have "usually" seen, the pupils on the ultra/anery's often have a weird ruby/bloodred coloration to them. But it's nothing real rock-solid that you could testify in court with..LOL!

I know someone who was selling boat-loads of what he thought were top-shelf ghosts for 6 years until he accidentally found out one year they were actually ultra/anery's from a very specific breeding he did..LOL!. There is literally HOARDS of unknown genetics out there these days!


~Doug
 
Hmm I know ultramel anerys look like ghosts, do you mean that Ultra Aneries look just like ultramel aneries? Well that's just great lol. Good thing I am keeping the "ghosts" and the "hypos" LOL
 
carnivorouszoo said:
Hmm I know ultramel anerys look like ghosts, do you mean that Ultra Aneries look just like ultramel aneries? Well that's just great lol. Good thing I am keeping the "ghosts" and the "hypos" LOL
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From what I have heard from many others, it is tough(if not impossible by sight) to discern ultra/anery's from ultramel/anery's, since the ultra type hypo gene is the same in either one. And then when you consider some substantial individual variation in these, it would seem to be virtually impossible to know for certain without knowing precisely what the parental genetics was. And if not, would have to prove them out through test breedings.


~Doug
 
Murphy willing I should clutch out a mix of ultra's, ultramels and amels for some ID practice; I've been looking forward to doing an ultramel X Ultramel cross to hopefully get all three to maybe see the difference...if she turns out to have anery A that could get thrown in, as the male is an ultramel anery...
 
It is very difficult to ID an Ultra, vs. an Ultramel, by eyesight.
Also, with variability, Ultras can look like Ultramels and Ultramels can look like Ultras.
IMO, one can never be 100% positive unless the genetics, of parent snakes, are well known or the individual snake is proven out via test breeding.
However, Charles Pritzel states that the difference/ID can be discerned via magnification of their scales. Magnification should be, at minimum, 100x but can be between 100x & 200x (not higher and not lower). There are dots/specks, on snake scales (though not on Amels), and this is what you would be looking at/for. On Ultramels, these "dots" are just about invisible. On Ultras, they are a fair amount darker. Other than test breeding, this may be the best way to identify an Ultra vs. Ultramel.
Edit: Actually, I would say that (other than test breeding) the magnification may be the best method if you know that the snake has to be either Ultra or Ultramel.
 
DMong said:
Well, from what I have "usually" seen, the pupils on the ultra/anery's often have a weird ruby/bloodred coloration to them. But it's nothing real rock-solid that you could testify in court with..LOL!

I know someone who was selling boat-loads of what he thought were top-shelf ghosts for 6 years until he accidentally found out one year they were actually ultra/anery's from a very specific breeding he did..LOL!. There is literally HOARDS of unknown genetics out there these days!


~Doug
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Justin Guyer, correct?
 
Carinata said:
Justin Guyer, correct?
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Correct..........and as you probably already know, he had absolutely no idea they were not exceptional ghosts until he did that one particular breeding. He did the only thing humanly possible, and that was publicly apologize. That was certainly all he could do and very commendable in my opinion. He is definitely aas honest and respectable as they come.

As everyone knows, nobody can prevent what they are totally unaware of..LOL!


~Doug
 
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