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Understanding the creamsicle gene...

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Mike Clark

Mike C
Year after year I produce some super bright orange amel corns from my snow female crossed with an okeetee looking male. After really looking into what they were, I came to the conclusion that they were creamsicles, based on what others had labeled as that.

Lately, on another site, someone who knows a lot about corns said that you can't judge a creamsicle based on looks alone. That the creamsicle gene is a cross between corn and great plains ratsnake blood, and once it is in the blood, there is no erasing it.

Okay, this sounds fine I guess. My question is, I have been calling these snakes I produce creamsicles based on their appearance alone, I have no clue if great plains ratsnake blood is in there. So what should I call these to be "correct"? They are just super bright pumpkin orange amels. So how does one determine correctly if they have a creamsicle?

Thanks to anyone that can help me here.

Mike Clark
 
People with an experienced eye in these matters may be allowed to judge a creamsicle by appearance but not all light pumpkin orange amels are creamsicles.

Show us a pic of your snake and we'll try to help you out.

There are often other visual cues to look for such as the fact that creamsicles often (but not always) have a heart shaped head pattern...this may also be found on other morphs, so this alon is not a deciding factor.
 
There is no way to determine if they have emoryi blood in them without knowing the lineage. This is why many of the anti-hybriders are so vehemently anti-hybrid.

I wouldn't stick the creamsicle name on them unless you were aware of creamsicle lineage or they definitely looked like emoryi hybrids. I would just call them bright orange amels... (aka fluorescent orange amels).

-Kat
 
Mike Clark said:
Lately, on another site, someone who knows a lot about corns said that you can't judge a creamsicle based on looks alone. That the creamsicle gene is a cross between corn and great plains ratsnake blood, and once it is in the blood, there is no erasing it.
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Think of it like crossing two different breeds of dogs. If you breed a poodle with a lab, you aren't going to "remove" all of the poodle's genes (those which differ from the gene pool in the lab breed) without a good number of generations being crossed back to labs.

There is no way to determine if they have emoryi blood in them without knowing the lineage. This is why many of the anti-hybriders are so vehemently anti-hybrid.
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LOL and it still doesn't make any sense, either. :santa:
 
Kat,

I wish I had some updated pics of them before I sold them all last year, but they looked almost exactly like your avatar pic. I was un-educated on them and just picked up the name creamsicles based on what all the other breeders had theirs listed as, and they all looked that way. I really didn't know what they were, just super bright orange amels. I understand about the cross thing, but I think a lot of people are misinformed on them also. So since you can't judge a creamsicle based on appearance(unless you have a good trained eye for the rat snake markers), they can look almost like anything. So the name is almost not even worth designating with them.

I.E. Someone looking for a "creamsicle", is not looking for a particular color of corn, but a lineage of breed. I think most designate the creamsicle name to an orange snake, which is what I did back when I first hatched them. I think I will use the name flourescent orange amels since I don't know if there is ratsnake blood in them. I just wanted to learn a little more on them since I plan on hatching a bunch more of these bright orange amels within the next day or two.

Thanks,

Mike Clark
 
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