i have a female and male snake that i haven't hibernated at all since i'm not planning on having them mate. my female however is DEFINATELY interested in mating and has been chasing my male around the cage for the last while now. I was under the impression that it was supposed to be the other way around and was just wondering if this is bad for them, if it will end up hurting one of them, if the eggs would turn out wrong from unusual conditions and if i should separate them.
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- Thread starter gisele
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DaemoNox
Abyssus abyssum invocat
Last time I checked it was males who did the chasing, so theres a good chance you may have a case of mis-sexing. I would seperate them (do a search on cohabitation, it may give you enough reasons). The snake being chased and the snake doing the chasing obviously arnt comfortible; imagine being stuck in a small room with a guy who only wants to breed, or being stuck in a room with a girl not interested at all in you. If the female is too small to breed then yes it can be bad for her. I've never heard of eggs turning out wrong from being fertilized in unusual conditions. If your not planning on breeding them then you must seperate them.
hmm well i am quite certain that they are not sexed wrong. the one chasing has all the characteristics of a female; short tail moving abruptly into a thick body and she's had eggs. so i'm fairly sure she's a girl unless i'm drastically mistaken which is why i was rather worried. things are under control now though so thanks for the advice. hopefully i won't have any more problems
DaemoNox
Abyssus abyssum invocat
Explain how things are under control? If you really want to solve the problem you must seperate them (when keeping them together nothing really is solved, usually when the snakes become stressed or something happenes it doesnt get better, often it gets worse), because unless you watch them all day and night you really dont know whats happening.
bitsy
Owned by Corns since 1991
Unfortunately, a male and female Corn put together, will mate. Avoiding brumation (hibernation), won't stop them. Sorry you've been misinformed on that point. I've been bred my Corns successfully for around 12 seasons and have never brumated.
In addition, breeding season for Corns is Spring to early Summer unless you've done some clever environmental controls to trick them into breeding in the Autumn. I'd say the chasing is more an expression of aggression than a mating behaviour in this case. Females are perfectly capable of seeing off an unwanted male.
Sounds like sharing is out until the sap starts rising. Try them together again around February next year, as long as the female is around the right age and size for breeding.
In addition, breeding season for Corns is Spring to early Summer unless you've done some clever environmental controls to trick them into breeding in the Autumn. I'd say the chasing is more an expression of aggression than a mating behaviour in this case. Females are perfectly capable of seeing off an unwanted male.
Sounds like sharing is out until the sap starts rising. Try them together again around February next year, as long as the female is around the right age and size for breeding.
hhmmm its possible it is agression although they did have their tails all curled together the way i've seen in pictures of mating snakes and my husband was fairly certain he saw the genitals of the male.
Just as word of defense in my direction i do know a great deal about the running debate in regards to housing snakes together. and although each individual snake owner feels very strongly one way or the other there is no difinative right or wrong because every situation is different. although i respect your opinion DaemoNox, i have valid reasons for the way i do things. I have had corns for a number of years and have done extensive research. at this point separating them may be helpful however, just because they are together in general doesn't mean there is something terribly wrong with the way things are.
i re-read my first post and, i admit the wording was not very cohesive and i sounded quite a bit like a newbie so i will try and explain what i was saying a little better. first of all, i have tendonitis quite badly in both of my wrists which makes typing very painful so i generally do as little of it as possible. i suppose this makes my posts a little unclear so i will try to elaborate a little more
i am not PLANNING on mating them immediately but if it happens that they do mate i am prepared to incubate and hatch a clutch. i was surprised at their behavior because you're generally supposed to hybernate them first.
i just recently got married and moved so my snakes have had a change of house, owner (she didn't like my husband AT ALL although she's warming up to him now) a change of substrate (i couldn't find what i've always used here) and because winter is quickly coming upon us and all we have for heat for the moment is a portable heater so it has been difficult to maintain a stable temperature. all of these changes, especially the temp, as bitsy suggested, could have confused one but not the other i suppose which would explain the lack of interest in the male. i was curious about the eggs being deformed because i didn't know if, because they hadn't hibernated, the chemical compositions would not be right. what i was really wondering is whether anyone else had seen the female initiate mating as opposed to the male.
at this stage i would like to separate them for a while however to do this you have to be prepared with an entirely different area for an adult snake. when i leave the area for long i put one of then in a cardboard container in the cage. i realize that this is not a permanent solution but it will have to do until i can arange something else. this is what i was refering to when i said things were under contol.
thank you for your concern and advice. if you have any other suggestions i would be happy to hear them.
Just as word of defense in my direction i do know a great deal about the running debate in regards to housing snakes together. and although each individual snake owner feels very strongly one way or the other there is no difinative right or wrong because every situation is different. although i respect your opinion DaemoNox, i have valid reasons for the way i do things. I have had corns for a number of years and have done extensive research. at this point separating them may be helpful however, just because they are together in general doesn't mean there is something terribly wrong with the way things are.
i re-read my first post and, i admit the wording was not very cohesive and i sounded quite a bit like a newbie so i will try and explain what i was saying a little better. first of all, i have tendonitis quite badly in both of my wrists which makes typing very painful so i generally do as little of it as possible. i suppose this makes my posts a little unclear so i will try to elaborate a little more
i am not PLANNING on mating them immediately but if it happens that they do mate i am prepared to incubate and hatch a clutch. i was surprised at their behavior because you're generally supposed to hybernate them first. i just recently got married and moved so my snakes have had a change of house, owner (she didn't like my husband AT ALL although she's warming up to him now) a change of substrate (i couldn't find what i've always used here) and because winter is quickly coming upon us and all we have for heat for the moment is a portable heater so it has been difficult to maintain a stable temperature. all of these changes, especially the temp, as bitsy suggested, could have confused one but not the other i suppose which would explain the lack of interest in the male. i was curious about the eggs being deformed because i didn't know if, because they hadn't hibernated, the chemical compositions would not be right. what i was really wondering is whether anyone else had seen the female initiate mating as opposed to the male.
at this stage i would like to separate them for a while however to do this you have to be prepared with an entirely different area for an adult snake. when i leave the area for long i put one of then in a cardboard container in the cage. i realize that this is not a permanent solution but it will have to do until i can arange something else. this is what i was refering to when i said things were under contol.
thank you for your concern and advice. if you have any other suggestions i would be happy to hear them.
bitsy
Owned by Corns since 1991
As I said above, unfortunately, brumation (hibernation) is irrelevant. It has no bearing on their mating instinct, but is useful for breeders with an eye on the financial side, as it seems to increase fertility.
Corns don't actually hibernate - this is a more extreme behaviour. Brumation is the state where Corns become less active and eat & drink less.