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Well, I've done it!

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mbdorfer

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Got my first colony going. 3 females and 1 male in a 10 gal tank.
Aspen pellet bedding, small clump of timothy hay, toilet paper roll, bowl full of forti-diet, and water bottle, of course.
I set them up in the laundry room as there won't be much traffic in there....lol
I've noticed that they all like to sit in the food bowl, is that normal?
Do they know not to crap in there? Should I replace uneaten food daily?
Never tried to breed mice before. Hopefully this venture won't backfire on me. :shrugs:
 
mbdorfer said:
Got my first colony going. 3 females and 1 male in a 10 gal tank.
Aspen pellet bedding, small clump of timothy hay, toilet paper roll, bowl full of forti-diet, and water bottle, of course.
I set them up in the laundry room as there won't be much traffic in there....lol
I've noticed that they all like to sit in the food bowl, is that normal?
Do they know not to crap in there? Should I replace uneaten food daily?
Never tried to breed mice before. Hopefully this venture won't backfire on me. :shrugs:
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Yes, it's normal. Mice are disgusting.

No, do not replace or take out uneaten food daily.

Heh, wait till you have to clean piss syrup on the water bottles from them climbing all over it.
 
Joejr14 said:
Yes, it's normal. Mice are disgusting.

No, do not replace or take out uneaten food daily.

Heh, wait till you have to clean piss syrup on the water bottles from them climbing all over it.
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Oh joy! Fortunately I've got some voracious kings that will eat anywhere, anytime if these mice tick me off enough :crazy02:
 
Yep, we have a few tanks going here as well as the racks. It's common practice and evidently a very fun game to remove all lab blocks from the food bowl immediately after I fill it.

Mice are pretty disgusting creatures. They will use the food bowl as a toilet whether there is food present or not, they just don't care.

Never the less, I really enjoy raising mice...lol

Q
 
Quigs said:
Yep, we have a few tanks going here as well as the racks. It's common practice and evidently a very fun game to remove all lab blocks from the food bowl immediately after I fill it.

Mice are pretty disgusting creatures. They will use the food bowl as a toilet whether there is food present or not, they just don't care.

Never the less, I really enjoy raising mice...lol

Q
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I knew you were into this as I read every post in the feeders forum before deciding to try it! So, how often do I need to check the food bowl for feces?
 
Best of luck to you in your mouse breeding adventure!!!!!
I attempted the breed and feed about 10 years ago when I bought my first snake. As my snake collection grew, so did my mice....I had them housed in the spare bedroom with my snakes...No more than 3-4 mice per 10 gallon tank. I was meticulous with their cages, bedding, feeding, etc. I kept detailed records of litters, breedings, etc. After about 2 years of this, I decided to give it up and buy frozen--God Bless places like RodentPro!!!
I can't put it any better than this:
Joejr14 said:
Mice are disgusting.

Heh, wait till you have to clean piss syrup on the water bottles from them climbing all over it.
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OR, Wait till you clean the cage, and it smells like dirty urine 2 days later.
Maybe my husbandry skills were lacking, but I honestly don't know what else I could have done :shrugs: ....By the time I 'got rid' of them all, my whole house smelled like 'mouse'....It's a distinctive smell----You'll see. :sidestep:
Oh yeah--They WILL crap in the food bowl, and every where else...
 
Honestly...

I don't worry about it. I add more lab blocks when they appear to be gone and clean once a week. In a 1.3 colony (depending on how big the bowl is) you should only have to feed a couple times a weeks. Of course food and water consumption increases a bit when babies are present. Just keep an eye on them.

Like I said though, the mice in tanks usually remove all or at least most lab blocks right away and hide them or leave them laying around. I really hate throwing away uneaten food. That's what initally made me goto a rack system. ZERO food waste, since they have to work to get it! Also like Joe mentioned, they will climb up the bottle and pee on it as well as down the side of the aquarium. Racks cut all that out.

They are nasty critters indeed.

Q
 
I think I'm prepared for the disgusting part. To me feeding frozen/thawed is disgusting :puke01: I like to keep a bit of "wildness" in my snakes, and that is why I will ALWAYS feed live (or near death) :grin01: I guess in a few days I'll know if this was a mistake or not, but at $25 a week to feed my current snake population, I must give this my best shot. :cheers:
 
Some people argue this, but there's no doubt in my mind that I save a mint raising my own. I spend $20 for 50lbs of lab blocks. Admitedly, it's not lasting quite as long around here anymore but we have around 100 breeders now.

There's no way I would be able to have as large of collection of snakes and leggers if we didn't.

I keep a spread sheet with costs of supplies and numbers of culled mice. It's definately worth it to me! The proof is in the numbers. I'm actually procrastinating right now. There are 70 mice I weaned a couple weeks ago in there, that are buying the farm today. What's a live adult mouse cost ya?

If you feed live, you had better go out and buy a few more aqauriums...lol They will be filled up in no time...mark my words!

Smell is the only downfall in my opinion. The amount of work is minimal. Between the two of us, we have it nailed in a couple hours a week.

Q
 
I'd personally just nix the food bowl. They dont really use it, and they're instinctively food hiders, so whatever. They scatter all of their food around the cage anyway, so I never bothered with a bowl. I just dumped a handful of block into the cage and that was it for the week.

A lot of people swear by Marshalls Bi-odor. It is EXPENSIVE stuff, but apparently it totally kills the nasty urine stench.

If you've got the capability of building a rack, I'd go for that. They have cement mixing tubs at Home Depot for about $6 and there's no question you could easily fit a 1.6 in each of the small tubs.

Plus, with a screen-mesh top, there's no waste of lab block, and no pissing on the water bottle.

You can say that it wont bother you, but trust me, it's disgusting. It is a sticky nasty slimey syrupey goop. It really is one of the most disgusting things out there.

A rack is a better way to go, and if you did a rack, you could use two of the giant tubs ($12) or so each and really pimp the male out. Give him a harem of 10 females or so and use the other tub for a 1.3 of rats. That way you can use the mice pinks and fuzzies for all the new hatchlings you're going to get at Daytona, and use rat pinks/fuzzies/pups for the older stuff.
 
when i made my first colony i realize how dirty mice can be and the food bowl got so dirty that by day 4 or so i decided to remove it instead i place the food in a corner and it saves the trouble of having to clean the bowl due to the smell which can get really bad
 
Here is a good alternative to a food bowl. Before I got my rack system, I used the small metal mesh racks that you can buy at target for a food container. They are chrome and about 2 inches high, 3 inches wide and 5 inches long. since they have 1/2 inch square spacing on the metal , the lab blocks fit inside and the mice poop stays out mostly (except the mice like to climb inside with the food when they are little). But even then, the mouse poop all falls out. It keeps the food mostly nice and clean. I mount the food holder on the top underside of the container and then just drop the food in through the top of the cage. For a container for the mice, I used the plastic reptile enclosures that they sell at WalMart (the ones with the colored tops). I just tie the food container to the lid with small wires so that the top is right under the top opening. So to feed them, I just pop open the lid and throw a handfull of food in the chrome feeder. The reptile enclosures have a cut out hole for a water bottle, so you can replace the water bottle without taking the lid off. The other advantage of this system is that the whole setup only costs about 12 or 13 dollars. But then a rack system is still much better if you have a lot of mice.

Mark
 
just a tip to help with smell.....

I have no idea why this happens but if you have any galvenized or un-powdercoated/un-plastic coated metals...even to the extent of some bare metal showing through the powdercoat or plastic...it will cause a chemical reaction with the urine and multiply the smell almost 100x

a smell free cage is a metal free cage or invest to have anything metal powdercoated. I found that when i removed all metal from my tank and used all plastic accessories including plastic hangers for drink hooks (if yours are the hanging kind) because even that stupid metal hook to hold your water bottle can cause one hell of a stench if urine gets on it .

and no amount of scrubbing this metal will cause the smell to diminish. it literally absorbs into the metal (thus why its refered to as a chemical reaction...a stinky one but one nonetheless)

just my two bits on killing smell
 
Week #1

Well the first week has passed and I am amazed how well things went. I cleaned their cage today, and there was no horrible odor as anticipated.
None of them tried to bite me or anything, they all seem fairly content.
Just hope they produce!
 
mbdorfer said:
Well the first week has passed and I am amazed how well things went. I cleaned their cage today, and there was no horrible odor as anticipated.
None of them tried to bite me or anything, they all seem fairly content.
Just hope they produce!
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Well Mike, I'll tell ya, working at PetsMart I have to clean the little buggers out twice a week, and the mice and rats are the cleanest and least smelly of the bunch. And the most friendly by far. On the other hand, hamsters are vile, digusting, evil, creatures. Their urine hardens to the point you need a paint scraper to get it off, and they do it everywhere. You never know when you're going to get a chunk taken out of you either. (Did I mention they were evil? LOL)

Does anyone use pine pellets as their substrate? We use them for the birds and they smell wonderful. Just thinking it might cut the odor a bit. :shrugs:

I have to give all of you credit for raising your own, I would much rather point and click, order and thaw. Keeping all the snakes, turtles, fish, cats, and dog clean is enough especially after cleaning and feeding animals for a living. :rolleyes:
 
JTGoff69 said:
Well Mike, I'll tell ya, working at PetsMart I have to clean the little buggers out twice a week, and the mice and rats are the cleanest and least smelly of the bunch. And the most friendly by far. On the other hand, hamsters are vile, digusting, evil, creatures. Their urine hardens to the point you need a paint scraper to get it off, and they do it everywhere. You never know when you're going to get a chunk taken out of you either. (Did I mention they were evil? LOL)

Does anyone use pine pellets as their substrate? We use them for the birds and they smell wonderful. Just thinking it might cut the odor a bit. :shrugs:

I have to give all of you credit for raising your own, I would much rather point and click, order and thaw. Keeping all the snakes, turtles, fish, cats, and dog clean is enough especially after cleaning and feeding animals for a living. :rolleyes:
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Jen, I'm using super aspen pellets, which I get ay Petsmart. Seems real good at odor control. :cheers:
 
Mike, I sure hope you have a lot better luck with this project than I have. So far I've bought two males, and 3 females, and all I've got left is the one fancy male (bought him to make SURE we had a male!). I don't bother with a dish, I let them dig. My amazingly odor free bedding is 50% Carefresh, 50% aspen and a handful of timothy hay. I think the hay is a HUGE asset! Without it I was half nauseated after about 3 days. Best of luck to you!
 
JTGoff69 said:
On the other hand, hamsters are vile, digusting, evil, creatures. Their urine hardens to the point you need a paint scraper to get it off, and they do it everywhere. You never know when you're going to get a chunk taken out of you either. (Did I mention they were evil? LOL)
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And vile, and disgusting. Agreed!

Jen, when we clean out the tanks at your competitor :) , we temporarily hold the rodents in Critter Keepers - saves employee digits. Find out if you have any in your "store use", and see if they can be used.

You'll thank me for it, trust me.

regards,
jazz
 
jazzgeek said:
Jen, when we clean out the tanks at your competitor :) , we temporarily hold the rodents in Critter Keepers - saves employee digits. Find out if you have any in your "store use", and see if they can be used.

You'll thank me for it, trust me.

regards,
jazz
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ROFL Dale, you work at PetNO? :grin01:

We move them to another holder as well, BUT you still have to take them out. After the first two nasty little buggers bit me, I started scooting them into their little "dome homes" for transport. I let the night crew inspect them for wet tail, they can have the battle scars. :grin01:
 
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