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What are your thoughts on Kisatchie?

Preita

Preita

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I was browsing through SMR trying not to drool overtly at work and desided that I really love the Kisatchie corn on that site.

I havent seen it any where else, is the disposition like a corn or rat snake? Anyone have one? How do they like it? I like the blue eyes and the brown coloring with out the orange :D

Just looking for opinions
Thanks! :D
 
there are a few other places you can get a kisatchie, but i think most people get them from SMR. they used to be a sub-species of corn, but now for some reason, they are considered to be their own species. same disposition as a corn. they're nice looking critters for sure.

some people i've talked to seem to think kisatchies may be a result of emoryi X corn in the regions where they overlap. i'm not too sure about that though.
 
You can ask gardenmum, too, as she got at least one, maybe a pair, from him. I think they are gorgeous!

Lin
 
I live in an area where the Kisatchies occur naturally. There is NO CORNS & Emory ratsnake sin our area for them to intergrade with... I helped collect animals for the university to draw blood samples from fro DNA testing. They are considered a different species (and no longer accepted as a subspecies) due to the DNA results which were compared to E. g. guttata & emoryi's, etc. from LOTS of localities.

A wc adult sometimes bites and WC adults can be nervous SOMETIMES in captivity, but compared to the local Texas Ratsnakes- the Kisatchie's are kittens! lol....

CB animals tend to take on more of a corn attitude....

Kisatchie's have brown eyes. Don S. some baby Anery. Kisatchie's that hatche out unexpectantly last year...their eyes are grey. I believe the picture on Don's site was just lighting or soemthing. Don S. is one of the nicest guys I've met- his animals are top notch- and I consider hima good friend... Good luck with your Kisatchie search- they are a unique animal!

Graham
 
I really do like them a lot too! I think its because they seem a little gurthier. I like them big boys :D Well hopefully I will be bringing one of those home in the near future :D
 
I would absolutely LOVE to have myself a Kisatchie. I plan on breeding both amel and anery into my own Kisatchie line to see what results from the individual genetic mutations as well as the combination of both. I would also like to breed charcoal into that same line, but I need to get one first. HOPEFULLY, I'll be able to get my hands on a hatchling/yearling Kisatchie this season. I'd hate to have to put off that project of mine another year. I'm excited about starting it. :D
 
If you bred amel and anery into you "own Kisatchie line" then all you would have are HYBRIDS and not a Kisatchie line.. they'd be no better than creamsicle corns then...Right now they are genetically pure...

I guess its just my own personnal opinion, I'm not a hybrid fan, and others have their right to have their opinions and do whatever they'd like with their snakes...
 
StrangeCargo said:
If you bred amel and anery into you "own Kisatchie line" then all you would have are HYBRIDS and not a Kisatchie line.. they'd be no better than creamsicle corns then...Right now they are genetically pure...

I guess its just my own personnal opinion, I'm not a hybrid fan, and others have their right to have their opinions and do whatever they'd like with their snakes...
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I am very aware of this, which is why I did not say "I'm going to produce Anery Kisatchies, Amel Kisatchies, and 'Snow' Kisatchies." I was very careful of my wording to make sure that this misunderstanding did not happen. I also think that they would be very different from creamsicles, and therefore would be, in some asthetic sense, better. I would also be careful to try to breed the offspring more towards the kisatchie background, then the common corn background. I don't plan on selling any of the offspring to begin with, to help to avoid some of the issues of people calling them "pure" kisatchies, just by look alone.
 
StrangeCargo said:
I live in an area where the Kisatchies occur naturally. There is NO CORNS & Emory ratsnake sin our area for them to intergrade with... I helped collect animals for the university to draw blood samples from fro DNA testing. They are considered a different species (and no longer accepted as a subspecies) due to the DNA results which were compared to E. g. guttata & emoryi's, etc. from LOTS of localities.
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I thought that kisatchies were known as P.G.Slowinski(spelling?) which would make them a sub species of corn. I would like to see the results of thouse DNA test to because i am willing to bet that they are actually very closely related to corns and emoryi.

One more thought, if kisatchies are now considered there own subspecies and not a natural intergade i think that their should be more than enough evidence to give the keys corns there subspecies recognition again.
 
I'm a splitter, so yes, I believe the Key Corns should be their own subspecies. P.Slowinskii is its own species to the best of my knowledge. Itoo, personally, believe that it should just be a subspecies... but oh well- you know science, it'll all change in a few years. lol.
 
E. g. guttata said:
I also think that they would be very different from creamsicles, and therefore would be, in some asthetic sense, better. I would also be careful to try to breed the offspring more towards the kisatchie background, then the common corn background. I don't plan on selling any of the offspring to begin with, to help to avoid some of the issues of people calling them "pure" kisatchies, just by look alone.
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I think that would be a very cool project. I have read someone else here that was planning on a simular project :D

Personally I just really like the "beefy" look to them. And I think that some cool things could be done with more of a brown ground color, or various khaki colors? :D

Let me know if you do that, I would love to see those babies :D
 
Being a stubborn old man........

I believe in guttata guttata , guttata emoryi , and the intergrades. Anything else is HERECY! :grin01:
You can take pantherophis, slowinski, intermontanus and any other funky names and ...............! :wavey:

Like I said...Stubborn :grin01:
 
Ah come on ;p They're not all bad. I remember reading this controversial article in the AKC newsletter about how scientists were DNA testing pure breed dogs, and found out half of them didn't even have 50% canine DNA. But we love them and still call them dogs lol.
 
I should have said, calling them anything else would be HERECY!
I love them. I am very drawn to the emoryis :wavey:
 
mbdorfer said:
I should have said, calling them anything else would be HERECY!
I love them. I am very drawn to the emoryis :wavey:
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I all honesty, I would love to start colonies of the different subspecies of corn, all six of them, and work on establishing "pure" lines, as well as intergrading between the lines to see what "new" kinds of morphs can be generated. I want to start with kisatchies, as not many people have plans to work with them, and move more into the intermountain, keys, and mexican corns (though I don't think the mexican corns will be much different than the emoryis). Call me a heretical young perpitrator of the cornfusion of hybridization if you want, but I have a natural curiosity for these crosses that I want to deal with. If my soul be damned for this, then so be it ;)
 
E. g. guttata said:
I all honesty, I would love to start colonies of the different subspecies of corn, all six of them
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I had a feeling my point would be misconstrued. This is exactly what I meant. To me, they will always be Elaphe Guttata :wavey:
 
E. g. guttata said:
Call me a heretical young perpitrator of the cornfusion of hybridization if you want, ...QUOTE]

lol no I think I wont, what a mouthful! :D

mbdorfer said:
I should have said, calling them anything else would be HERECY!
I love them. I am very drawn to the emoryis :wavey:
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Yes calling things by their right names is important, people may call it a dog, they may even call it a chihuahua , but it will always be a rat to me lol :D
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mbdorfer said:
I had a feeling my point would be misconstrued. This is exactly what I meant. To me, they will always be Elaphe Guttata :wavey:
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I would have rather had the old world ratsnakes changed to pantherophis but that is not how it was done. I think a separation of the old world and new world rats is a good thing though.
 
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