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What is she?

Sedda

Sedda

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This litle girl came out of her egg on the 14th of august, her dad is a common but her mom is eighter a anery or an Emoryi rat snake (I'm not familiar enaugh with emoryi to know if she is one).

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Do you guys think she is a common or could she be a kisatchie or a slowinskii (or something else for that matter). She seems to be getting browner with every passing day.

Here are some more pics of her
 
Is there any way you could post pictures of the parents? I followed the link in your post and looked at the other pictures of her. She looks like a hybrid to me and probably is if you think the mother is an emory. Good Luck
 
Looks like a rootbeer to me, and I'd say that your adult female is an emoryi and not a ghost.
 
I was going to say hybrid.
I have only ever seen an Emoryi once before,and have never seen a rootbeer other than in pictures.I would have to agree with Joe...Rootbeer
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I agree with everyone else that it's a rootbeer. And Mom looks like a 100% emoryi to me too.

Sedda said:
Do you guys think she is a common or could she be a kisatchie or a slowinskii (or something else for that matter). She seems to be getting browner with every passing day.
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Just to clarify, a slowinskii IS a Kisatchie. Kisatchie is the common name for Pantherophis slowinskii, if you accept the newest classification of the North American rat snakes. They used to be considered intergrades of corns and emoryis, but recent research suggests that they are a separate species. But I have to admit, that rootbeer's coloration is pretty close to my Kisatchies'. :)
 
Then there's another Q, if their mom and dad are diffrent species will the baby's be sterile??
 
Sedda said:
Then there's another Q, if their mom and dad are diffrent species will the baby's be sterile??
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Whether hybrid (different species) or intergrade (same species, different subspecies), corn x emory crosses are fertile and the cross is quite common. Creamsicles are the result of breeding amel corn to normal emory, while rootbeers are normal corn bred to emory.
 
I find this all so fascinating.

<--- corn n00b, can anyone please explain the visible differences b/w a emory and a corn? thanks and sorry :D
 
Slithers 06 said:
can anyone please explain the visible differences b/w a emory and a corn?
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The Mississippi River forms a barrier between the fauna of the eastern US and the fauna of the West. As a result, corn snakes, the rat snake of the eastern and southeastern US, have developed into certain color patterns, many bright and pleasant, and these have proven popular with pet owners. Emory, or Great Plains Rat snakes, rat snakes of the southwestern US, have developed more muted, dusky coloration. This has proven less popular with the pet trade. The two normally do not breed together in the wild because the Mississippi keeps the populations apart. However, when kept together by hobbyists, they do interbreed without difficulty and produce fertile offspring. There is an ongoing debate in the scientific community about the relationship between the two, whether emory and corn are two seperate species, or whether they would be more properly described as the same species, but separate subspecies. A logical argument can be made for either classification, and there are threads on the forum discussing these.
 
Blutengel said:
Your rootbeer has very special patterning on her back, love it!
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Thanks :D yeah I think she's really beautiful :D I'm not sure why shes like that tho, she was the only hatchling that didn't have normal pattern.
 
Slithers 06 said:
I find this all so fascinating.

<--- corn n00b, can anyone please explain the visible differences b/w a emory and a corn? thanks and sorry :D
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Here's a photo of a pure emoryi and one of a normal corn:
 

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Thank you very much. I will continue to read up on this using the search function. I appreciate your responses.

Now I know what to tell my cousin about his 'Root Beer' he just bought. Thanks!
 
Dean,
Is it 'normal' for the emoryi to have that 'stubby' looking nose, or is it just that particular specimen?

D80
 
Drizzt80 said:
Dean,
Is it 'normal' for the emoryi to have that 'stubby' looking nose, or is it just that particular specimen?

D80
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Hmmm. I'm not really sure, Brent. It seems that the emoryis I've seen with his "look" (presumably of a certain geographic heritage) DO have blunter faces. My emoryi female has a different overall "look", and her face isn't as blunt.
 

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Roy Munson said:
Hmmm. I'm not really sure, Brent. It seems that the emoryis I've seen with his "look" (presumably of a certain geographic heritage) DO have blunter faces. My emoryi female has a different overall "look", and her face isn't as blunt.
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Thanks Dean! I'm always looking for those nuggets of information to store away in the . . . um, where do I put those again. :)

D80
 
You're welcome, Brent. :)
Blutengel said:
Your male has king blood Dean, that's why he has a more blunt face :sidestep: :grin01:
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Don't you have better things to do Barbara? Like playing with Perseus, your corn x bull snake cross? :grin01:
 
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