What is the correct name?

[lovin_my_snake]

Hi Everyone!

First post. I'm really happy to find people who are passionate about their snakes as I am.
This is Sunkist. She is 17 months old and is 33 inches long. I have had her since she was 2 months old. The lady I bought her from said she was an albino bloodred cornsnake and was bred from 2 other albinos just like her. I know that there are alot of cross breeding to achieve different colors and genes. But there are new names coming up for these new breeds. I've been told Sunkist is creamsicle because of her bright orange coloring. What is her correct breed name or is she just an bloodred albino?

Thanks so much!!

 

[ecreipeoj]

Do we get to see a picture?

 

[pcar]

Do we get to see a picture?

I believe that she is talking about the snake in her avatar.

 

[Kat]

The snake in the avatar picture does NOT look like any sort of bloodred to me. If she has absolutely no belly checks (white belly), then I could be wrong, but something that supposedly came from two amel bloodreds shouldn't look so far off from what amel bloodreds look like.

I suspect your snake is a standard amelanistic with no bloodred heritage. Creamsicle has to do with bloodlines (is it an amel emoryi hybrid? If so, then it's a creamsicle... if not, then it isn't... this is regardless of the snake's coloration)

THIS is an amel bloodred:

-Kat

 

[ecreipeoj]

Man, Go easy on them Evilkat. :devil01: This was their first post.

I can't tell much from the Avatar, but it does seem to have the in-famous diffused pattern. It does resemble a creamsicle in coloration, but many corns are very similar in coloration to a creamsicle as well.

Perhaps the breeder can provide you with some more information about the background of your snake and the parents they came from.

 

[Hurley]

Are we looking at the same pic, Joe? I can't see a hint of diffusion in that snake, granted it's a tiny picture. I would also expect to see more color in the background, but that depends on the selection during breeding. Man, she's almost light enough to be an orange candy cane, quite the opposite of what we usually expect with a bloodred.

It would be nice to be able to see a larger picture with the head visible in the picture. Also, if it's a bloodred, the belly should not have any checkering. If it's checkered, it isn't a bloodred.

Kat's right, coloration does not define a creamsicle, heritage does. If there is Emory in the background mix and it's an amel, then it's a creamsicle. If it's 'pure' corn, then it's a regular amel.

 

[Jynx]

I agree with hurley. It looks like an orange candycane to me. Although some amel bloodreds don't have quite the diffuse pattern that regular bloodreds or even hypos have, it just doesn't look like one. I agree that the ground colors in Sunkist are just too light.

 

[lovin_my_snake]

Hi again!

I tried to get in touch with the lady I bought her from but no luck there.
All she told me was that Sunkist was bred from 2 other snakes just like her, bloodred albinos. Sunkist is bright orange, white and a lighter orange with faint yellow mixed. Her belly is not the usual black and white check but a light cream and white check. Her eyes are red with orange around the pupils. She used to be a darker orange (as in the feeding picture) but gets brighter the older she gets.

Thanks for all your help!!

 

[Hurley]

If she has a checkered belly, she is not a bloodred. If her parents looked just like her, they aren't bloodreds either. Her belly looks checkered from that side shot, but I couldn't say for sure. The "bloodred" trait is actually a pattern morph that has a plain white belly, and varying degrees of stretching of the head pattern (anywhere from normal to completely bald) and varying degrees of diffusion of the side pattern to the point that good "bloodreds" may have no side pattern at all. They were called bloodreds because original snakes from the line were a deep, dark, nearly uniform red. Now that the trait has been outcrossed so much, the pattern is starting to separate from the selectively bred bloodreds. Many are no longer red, and certainly when the trait is mixed with various anery genes, they aren't red.

Here is a pewter showing the belly for comparison. (Pewter = charcoal + the diffused bloodred pattern). Note the complete absence of even a hint of checkering, it's not just that the checkers aren't black...they aren't there at all. She's dark, so it's hard to see, but her side pattern is diffused away as well and her head pattern is stretched.

Here's a normal bloodred as a hatchling showing again, the plain belly. He's also got a stretched head pattern forming the often noted "skull" head pattern.

In my opinion from those pictures, I would call her a regular amelanistic. She certainly is bright, I think the name "Sunkist" fits her well.

 

[tat2d1]

looks just like my creamsicle. here's a couple of pics.

 

[ecreipeoj]

Are we looking at the same pic, Joe? I can't see a hint of diffusion in that snake, granted it's a tiny picture.

I guess it is pretty hard to have a diffused pattern on a white and orange snake, but I was referring to the lack of side pattern. It seemed to have reduced pattern on its sides. Instead of a second row of blotches on its side it looks like it is missing some of the pattern and some are connected into a banded pattern.

I have an odd ball Amel Blood. He is a cross between an Amel Okeetee Blood X Sunglow Blood. If we get the diffused pattern on a Candy Cane Blood, I am not exactly sure what to expect except for perhaps white sides and a clear belly pattern. A White Sided Candy Cane Blood sounds cool, but it is getting away from the solid color of most Bloods that we look for. Can we have the diffused pattern on a corn that has high white?

By the way Kat, that is a very nice Amel Blood. I have a few that look like that which I am raising from Don S and Carlos Lahitte.

 

[Hurley]

What I was referring to is the lack of smearing at all. The snake does appear to have a tendency toward banding, but the blotches that are there are stark, contrasty, and well-demarcated.

I'd expect the same from a diffused amel that I do from a diffused anery or pewter. The blotches break up, they smear/stretch/diffuse out...they look pixelated. In the extreme form, yes, they can go almost whitesided, but my nearly black pewter also has extreme diffusion without any whitening. Her saddles on the sides are very indistinct, strewn out. ...almost like some motleys or stripes but without the loss of saddle color in the total color make-up of the sides. A good diffused pattern reminds me of someone creating a pattern in charcoals/pastels and then taking their finger and wiping along the sides until it is almost evened out. Color isn't always lost, the different pigment cells just simply appear to scramble. Like I said, it looks pixelated to me.

Shrug, they don't all do it, but those are the ones I like.

 

[ecreipeoj]

A good diffused pattern reminds me of someone creating a pattern in charcoals/pastels and then taking their finger and wiping along the sides until it is almost evened out. Color isn't always lost, the different pigment cells just simply appear to scramble.

Shrug, they don't all do it, but those are the ones I like.

Me too, and with a great skull pattern on the head. I want it all don't I?

I am amazed at how much they vary and/or how much they can change from hatchling to adult hood.

 

[Naeris]

snake colouring

It doesn'r even look like the same snake in pic 1 compared to the other pics.....maybe that's 'cause I'm a noob, but it doesn't. The first pic looks like my Bob - an Amel, but the other pics look like something completely different................. :shrugs: