whats the dif. in ghosts?

[Randy D]

i have a male anerythisstic corn (excuse spelling), and what's the difference between "A" "B" and "C", i have never heard of this, and then i've been seeing it all over the boards.. then i saw stuff about patterns?, my snake has brown blotches on his back with white centers.. does that mean anything??

 

[Korrin]

I've never heard of Anery type C myself, but I'm no expert on corn genetics.
What I've read is that Anery type A removes the red and orange pigment, but leaves quite a bit of yellow still on the sides of the snake, wheras Type B removed the red, orange, and yellow, and that it's recessive to Type A.

Again, I might be wrong. I'm new to this too.

 

[Roy Munson]

AneryA: Black/brown/dark gray pattern with a lighter gray ground color. Lacks the ability to produce red or orange pigment. Pupil is black, iris is light gray. They usually develop a lot of yellow, especially on the sides of their necks.

AneryB (a.k.a. "Charcoal"): Black/dark gray pattern with gray ground color, but with less contrast between pattern and ground than the typical AneryA. Lacks the ability to produce red or orange pigment. Pupil is black, iris is dark gray, and is usually hardly discernible from the pupil in normal light. They usually don't develop much or any yellow, but there are exceptions.

AneryC (a.k.a. "Cinder", "Z-Morph"): Hard to describe, and there aren't that many in existence. Hatchlings have reddish brown pattern with silvery-gray ground color. Reddish brown pattern may fade to gray as the snake matures. Pupils are black, iris is bronzish-gold. You really need to see some photos to get a feel for the look. Do a search for "cinder".

The main pattern types are normal, motley, stripe, and diffused. You can search for these key words to get an idea of the different looks.

Ghosts are corns that are both AneryA and Hypomelanistic (a mutant gene that reduces blacks and browns). As with most corn morphs, there is huge variation in appearance from snake to snake. Corns that are AneryB and Hypo are usually called "Phantoms", but they are sometimes referred to as "Charcoal Ghosts".

Now get going, you have a lot of research to do. :grin01:

 

[Roy Munson]

I've never heard of Anery type C myself, but I'm no expert on corn genetics.
What I've read is that Anery type A removes the red and orange pigment, but leaves quite a bit of yellow still on the sides of the snake, wheras Type B removed the red, orange, and yellow, and that it's recessive to Type A.

Again, I might be wrong. I'm new to this too.

AneryB is not recessive to AneryA. They are on different loci, and both are recessive to the wild-type/normal gene at their respective loci.

 

[Randy D]

well i can't post a pic cause my comp. has a pop up blocker, but can i describe him to you for an educated guess?

he is a really really light grey (almost white) with brown blotches on his back, and he only has about 4 spots of yellow on his body, and thats right on the side of his head., no red, no orange, not even black, just whitish grey, and brown., and he's basically full grown, 52 inches, 450 grams.

 

[Korrin]

AneryB is not recessive to AneryA. They are on different loci, and both are recessive to the wild-type/normal gene at their respective loci.

Ah, I wasn't quite sure. I read that somewhere recently, but I think it was an older publication, so I was aware that more might have become known about the trait.

 

[Roy Munson]

well i can't post a pic cause my comp. has a pop up blocker, but can i describe him to you for an educated guess?

he is a really really light grey (almost white) with brown blotches on his back, and he only has about 4 spots of yellow on his body, and thats right on the side of his head., no red, no orange, not even black, just whitish grey, and brown., and he's basically full grown, 52 inches, 450 grams.

This is my adult (500g+) AneryA:

 

[Randy D]

well its not that.. yours is light tan, while mine is greyish white, and your either has REALLY dark brown, or black spots, while mine has spots about the color of your snakes light tan background., and mine doesn't have nearly that much yellow

 

[Roy Munson]

well its not that.. yours is light tan, while mine is greyish white, and your either has REALLY dark brown, or black spots, while mine has spots about the color of your snakes light tan background., and mine doesn't have nearly that much yellow

Here's an adult ghost I sold a few months ago. Remember, the amount of yellow is HIGHLY variable on aneryAs and ghosts...

 

[Randy D]

besides the yellow, mine has darker spots, but for the most part thats what mine looks like, so mine is an anery A?

 

[Roy Munson]

besides the yellow, mine has darker spots, but for the most part thats what mine looks like, so mine is an anery A?

Without seeing a photo, I can't really say what yours is. Like I said, the morphs are highly variable. The darkest ghosts may be indistinguishable from the lightest AneryAs. One other thing to look for is the belly checkers. Almost all AneryAs have very dark belly checkers. Ghosts usually have lighter brown to bronze belly checkers.

Your best bet is to look around at a bunch of Anerys and ghosts. If you search the photo gallery for "anery" and "ghost", you'll find many, many photo threads for each morph.

 

[Susan]

well i can't post a pic cause my comp. has a pop up blocker, but can i describe him to you for an educated guess?

he is a really really light grey (almost white) with brown blotches on his back, and he only has about 4 spots of yellow on his body, and thats right on the side of his head., no red, no orange, not even black, just whitish grey, and brown., and he's basically full grown, 52 inches, 450 grams.

Have you tried turning the pop-up blocker off temporarily or told it to allow pop-ups from this site? You should be able to do at least one of these.

And also note that some anerys look very light and are mistaken for ghosts, and some ghosts are very dark and are mistaken for anerys.

And I believe what Korrin was thinking about is that anery A masks the affects of charcoal in a snake homozygous for both genes.

 

[Randy D]

what??, i didn't even know there was a dif. between anery's and ghosts.. i thought anery was just a big name for ghosts, and i don't know how to turn off the pop-up blocker.. and he has dark belly checkers.

 

[miamicorns]

what??, i didn't even know there was a dif. between anery's and ghosts.. i thought anery was just a big name for ghosts, and i don't know how to turn off the pop-up blocker.. and he has dark belly checkers.

Turning off your pop up blocker is easy. If you would like to know how, then ask me. All, i need to know is what browser you are using on what platform. (ie. Internet explore on windows 2000 , Firefox on windows Xp, etc....)

 

[Roy Munson]

what??, i didn't even know there was a dif. between anery's and ghosts.. i thought anery was just a big name for ghosts, and i don't know how to turn off the pop-up blocker.. and he has dark belly checkers.

Well, then I guess you didn't read my replies. That's ok, I won't be wasting any more time trying to help you then. :wavey:

 

[Pasodama]

what??, i didn't even know there was a dif. between anery's and ghosts.. i thought anery was just a big name for ghosts, and i don't know how to turn off the pop-up blocker.. and he has dark belly checkers.

As was explained, by someone else, in an earlier post... A Ghost is an Anery "A" ~With~ the Hypomelanistic gene.
An Anery "A", ~without~ the Hypomelanistic gene, is simply referred to as an Anery (or as an Anerythristic).
Anery = "A"/No Hypo gene. Ghost = "A"/~Plus~ Hypo gene.

There was, also, an explanation that there is not a concrete mold where ~all~ Anerys look exactly alike (from one to another), not ~all~ Ghosts look exactly alike (from one to another), and etc. Yes...Anerys follow certain same characteristics, Ghosts follow certain same characteristics, etc., but ... not all will be carbon copies of each other.
With Ghosts, Anerys, Charcoals, etc.... there can be differences, in their phenotype (exterior/physical appearance), even if of the same genotype (genes carried).

Take for example ...

If you have ever seen horses, or know what their colors are, ... look at Chestnuts. All Chestnuts are Chestnuts (genetically) but their phenotype can vary quite a bit ... while they follow some same characteristics (i.e. no black on legs, etc.)... there are very dark ones (some even to the point of almost looking black), very light ones, more reddish ones, more golden ones, and anything in between &/or around those shades/colors (even mane & tail colors can vary from one to another)... but they are, all, still Chestnuts (and are still called Chestnuts). Chestnuts are "ee" (genetically).
Ever see a Palomino? A Palomino is, actually, a Chestnut ~with~ the Cream (Cr) gene added ... with the Cr gene added, it changes the phenotype, of the horse, and one would certainly not refer to a Palomino as a Chestnut even though the Palomino is built off of the Chestnut... this is because a Palomino has an added gene that changes its genetics & phenotype. A Palomino is "ee ~Plus~ Cr" (genetically).
As with the Chestnut, there can be differences with the Palomino ... anywhere from being very dark (chocolate Palomino), to almost cream colored (Isabelo), to the Golds, and anything in between/around those colorations (Manes & tails are not always the typical white either... some Palomino manes/tails can be same color as the body, or they can be silver, or can have a mixture of these colors).

Well... it's the same thing with (for example) Anerys. Though Anerys may be the same, genetically, not all look exactly the same. Some are rather light, others are quite dark, some have more grey/black, others have more brown, some will have saddles that fade out in the center while some may not fade that much, some will have a great amount of yellow while others will have very little to none, etc... but they are, all, still Anerys created by the same gene ("A").
This is, also, true for Ghosts ("A" ~Plus~ Hypo"), Charcoals ("B"), Phantoms ("B ~Plus~ Hypo"), etc.
Oh ... and some may have pastel peaches, pinks, etc. while others will not.

Then.... (back to horses as an example)... Sometimes there is an overlap with Palomino & Chestnut phenotypes. IOW Some Palominos can almost appear to be Chestnuts (in phenotype) and some Chestnuts can almost appear to be Palominos BUT ... one would not call these horses as anything else than what their genotype truly is (i.e. A "Palomino looking" Chestnut is still called a Chestnut because that is what its genotype ("ee") truly is, & vise versa (Palomino/"ee ~Plus~ Cr").

Same thing occurs with Anerys & Ghosts ... there can be an overlap, in phenotype, but one would not call a Ghost an Anery, or vise versa, (unless genes are unknown, of course ) because an Anery is "A" ... and a Ghost is "A ~Plus~ Hypo".

'Course, if someone does not know horse colors ... then it is always possible that this posting (&/or using horses as an example) may have been for naught (if all else was not clear). :shrugs:

 

[Randy D]

thank you very much, i now understand, i don't know horse colors.. but that example was great and really helped me a lot.

and Roy, i'm sorry for wasting your time..