Why can't I find a charcoal stripe?

[chuk_138]

The title says it all. Why is this such a rare color/morph combo? I have seen just about every other color offered in a stripe. Is this not a desirable snake? I want one which makes me think others would too. Where the heck are these snakes?!?!?! Thanks ahead for any replies.

 

[The_Saiyajin]

Yeah they are **** rare.
I know that some are aroudn there every year, but most likely not for sell.
Since 2009 the first Pewter Stripeds are aso around her ein Europe.
But I am pretty sure it will not be easy to find some even this year.
Greetings
Chris

 

[chuk_138]

So it's not just on this side of the pond? Makes me feel a little better I guess. Still want a pair!!!

 

[Susan]

Jeff (Mohr Snakes) has a few hidden in his back room (Charcoal stripe). He is also hoarding charcoal motleys and Sunkissed charcoals.

 

[chuk_138]

Thanks for the link Susan. In my mind I was picturing something a bit darker. But I still want a pair!!!!

 

[DragonBoy]

I have a charcoal motley male here I am breeding to a female mot/stripe. The f1's will carry the stripe from mom and a double mot as well as charcoal gene. Any F1's bred back to one another should hopefully give me some striped charcoal to breed further on. It might take to the F3's depending on how the gene's pair up. I figure another 5 years and I should be producing some for sale.
If it is like this for most of us all I can say is pull up a chair and sit a spell cause it's going to be awhile.

 

[Candachan]

You can't find them because we've all decided to hide them from you!

I might have some in a few years, fingers crossed!

 

[Susan]

I have a charcoal motley male here I am breeding to a female mot/stripe. The f1's will carry the stripe from mom and a double mot as well as charcoal gene. Any F1's bred back to one another should hopefully give me some striped charcoal to breed further on. It might take to the F3's depending on how the gene's pair up. I figure another 5 years and I should be producing some for sale.
If it is like this for most of us all I can say is pull up a chair and sit a spell cause it's going to be awhile.

The part I highlighted in bold is slightly off. The F1 will carry a motley gene from the male, and either a motley gene or a stripe gene from the mother, but you will not be able to tell which offspring will have the stripe gene. You can't have a homozygous motley and be het stripe at the same time.

 

[DragonBoy]

The cornsnake calculator program I am using left me with the impression one could be motley and het for stripe. I guess I need to do more research. Thanks for the clarification Susan.

 

[El Jefe]

Jeff (Mohr Snakes) has a few hidden in his back room (Charcoal stripe). He is also hoarding charcoal motleys and Sunkissed charcoals.

I'm not hoarding them...I just see to many future combos I'd like to do here and if I sell them..that'll make it harder.

Just think.... Sunkissed Charcoal X Charcoal Stripe..... mmmmmmmmmm

I'll eventually sell some....

 

[Susan]

The cornsnake calculator program I am using left me with the impression one could be motley and het for stripe. I guess I need to do more research. Thanks for the clarification Susan.

They will look like motleys as motley and stripe are alleles but when combined (one motley gene and one stripe gene), the motley phenotype is "dominant". Many people, myself included, call these snakes "motley het stripe" when they would probably be more accurately called "het motley het stripe" so noobs will understand that they do show the motley pattern, but are not homozygous motley. Confusing, I know, but when the light bulb turns on, you literally hit your forehead like in the V8 commercials. The same goes for amel and ultra, but is slightly more confused as when combined, the phenotypes "blend" to an in between coloration (supposedly, anyway, but I haven't seen too many homozygous ultras side by side with ultramels to make a judgment, plus breeders that have say they can't tell the difference).

 

[chuk_138]

Jeff, hurry up with your projects so I can get a then less desirable charcoal stripe.

 

[El Jefe]

Jeff, hurry up with your projects so I can get a then less desirable charcoal stripe.

Some people send me offers of unreasonable amounts of money and I've been known to accept....:sidestep:


(...and when I say unreasonable...I mean in a good way for me! )

 

[DragonBoy]

makes me wonder if that charcoal motley male I got from jeff last year could also be carrying the stripe gene...

 

[El Jefe]

makes me wonder if that charcoal motley male I got from jeff last year could also be carrying the stripe gene...

You never know...that came from Rich Z stock....

 

[onelifetolive45]

You never know...that came from Rich Z stock....

If it came from Rich its probably het for 58 different things

 

[chuk_138]

I wish I would have gotten back into the hobby a bit earlier. I had a snake from Kathy Love years ago (regret selling her) and a couple from Lee Abbott (still have them) but never got the chance to get some Serpenco stock. Rich is the only breeder that I had admired from whom I didn't "get a sample". Not to say I won't be able to pick one up second hand!

 

[chuk_138]

Jeff,
I wish I had unreasonable amounts of money to offer. If I did, I think I would start with that dilute hypo motley blood from Rob Stevens. That little snake is worth more than my entire collection at this point.

 

[TandJ]

Knock on wood.. I should have a few charcoal motley stripes this year, het for pewter possible fire stripe, although it would be unlikely these would move unless the right offer came about. There should be charcoals with the above hets... Again, the right offer may persuade a departure from my hands..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[eeji]

hey Jeff, I have an amel to swap for a pair of those charcoal stripes if you fancy it..... :sidestep: