Don't forget race thats a big one...
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Your Religious Views
- Thread starter Paradox
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Don't forget race thats a big one...
RavenSpirit360
Mitakuye Oyasin
I definately vote spiritual, which isnt on the list
ZoologyMajor
100% Addicted
Proud pagan here.
Pet Corn Snake
New member
Im not sure if I have posted on this thread before, I'm sure I probably have, my current views, and the views I shall forever keep is that I'am an atheist.
I went to church, I sat and I listened to story after story from not only the bible but from other people.. What the lord did for them, I then, and still to this day found nothing within the religious community that interest's me, except Christmas (LOL)
Bill hick's comedy was not only comedy but a message.. I was an atheist well before I found his comedy.. Though it still opened my eyes a little...
~RIP Bill hicks - Warrior in defense of common sense~
PS, I dont believe Religion should be forced apon a person, someone tried the otherday and I told them my views, they said (you say you dont believe like you know for a fact it was not true) I simply replied (You say it is true, like you know for a fact)
Just because a large amount of people believe its true, does not mean it's true.
I went to church, I sat and I listened to story after story from not only the bible but from other people.. What the lord did for them, I then, and still to this day found nothing within the religious community that interest's me, except Christmas (LOL)
Bill hick's comedy was not only comedy but a message.. I was an atheist well before I found his comedy.. Though it still opened my eyes a little...
~RIP Bill hicks - Warrior in defense of common sense~
PS, I dont believe Religion should be forced apon a person, someone tried the otherday and I told them my views, they said (you say you dont believe like you know for a fact it was not true) I simply replied (You say it is true, like you know for a fact)
Just because a large amount of people believe its true, does not mean it's true.
snakewispera snr
The Devils Advocate
But if you can prove to me the existance of a god then I'll consider it
But thats the whole point. Religion is based on faith. Without faith there is no religion.
MIKE
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
Bear in mind, George, that while Hicks was not religious per se, his comedy was completely laden with spiritual themes.
I'll give an "Amen" to that!
regards,
jazz
"I'm just trying to rid the world of all these fevered egos tainting our collective unconscious..." - Bill Hicks
MrsCornSnake
New member
I'm a Pastafarian.
Ten points to whomever gets that one.
Ten points to whomever gets that one.
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
Ramen! Praise be to His Noodliness!
regards,
jazz
(I'll put the points on account instead of a gift certificate.)
Roy Munson
New member
And for this holiday season, let's try to put the FSM back in chriFSMas. :santa:
I've also been touched by his noodly appendage.
Nova_C
New member
Dammit, Tom, I wanted to say that.
As far as religion and politics causing wars, and what I said in response to "There will never be peace as long as there's religion.":
I contend, "There will never be peace as long as there's people."
I believe that religion is irrelevant to the actual level of violence in this world. I submit that wars are not fought because of a difference of belief, but because someone uses the fanaticism of believers in order to further self serving objectives such as greed. Pretty much just greed.
Why conquer a people? For power. It's about gaining more power, more money, more of everything. Show me a war that wasn't about greed. Show me one. The people may fight because they believe they are fighting for God, but the people pulling the strings are encouraging the people to fight solely because of greed. They want something that somebody else has and they will do whatever it takes to get it.
Blaming this on religion is foolish only because wars would be fought just as viciously and just as often even if religion was wiped from human consciousness. There is always a way to make people fight. No religion? That's okay. The US fought several wars to stem the flow of communism. At least, that's what they said. And how about Iraq? Is that a war of religion? Or greed (On either side)? WW2? Or WW1?
Every conquest in history carries the same theme of one side attempting to conquer another in order to gain control. I have yet to be convinced that religion has anything to do with the actual motives of the warmakers.
As far as religion and politics causing wars, and what I said in response to "There will never be peace as long as there's religion.":
I contend, "There will never be peace as long as there's people."
I believe that religion is irrelevant to the actual level of violence in this world. I submit that wars are not fought because of a difference of belief, but because someone uses the fanaticism of believers in order to further self serving objectives such as greed. Pretty much just greed.
Why conquer a people? For power. It's about gaining more power, more money, more of everything. Show me a war that wasn't about greed. Show me one. The people may fight because they believe they are fighting for God, but the people pulling the strings are encouraging the people to fight solely because of greed. They want something that somebody else has and they will do whatever it takes to get it.
Blaming this on religion is foolish only because wars would be fought just as viciously and just as often even if religion was wiped from human consciousness. There is always a way to make people fight. No religion? That's okay. The US fought several wars to stem the flow of communism. At least, that's what they said. And how about Iraq? Is that a war of religion? Or greed (On either side)? WW2? Or WW1?
Every conquest in history carries the same theme of one side attempting to conquer another in order to gain control. I have yet to be convinced that religion has anything to do with the actual motives of the warmakers.
There's a Catholic priest joke waiting to happen, but I'm not going to touch it...:sidestep:
Lynnea
That's "lin-NAY-ah"
Just skimmed through first pages of this thread--fascinating views!
I agree, there should be a "spiritual" category as well. Being spiritual does not necessarily mean being "religious".
My family is a crazy mix: I was raised as a child in the Presbyterian church until my Dad decided he was an atheist (easy for him, he's an engineer with that logical mind), grandmother and her family Jehovah's Witnesses, other grandmother Presbyterian, mother kind of agnostic, I think, one brother converted to Catholicism and the other is head of the Religious Studies Dept. at a college, and comes closest to the most spiritual person I know--yet is not a member of any religion. He has written books and is one of the leading scholars on Native American religion/spirituality, meditates an hour a day, believes in a kind of magic, dream interpretation and personal spiritual transformation, and is a Hermetic. Wow.
I only attended church a few times from teen years on, but always had feelings of the spiritual. That is something intangible and unmeasurable. When my husband and I had our first child (now 19 years old), I began to think about religion again--how did I want to raise our child? It took me on a quest. I wanted him to have the right values but not be brainwashed. I felt (and still feel) there is some kind of supreme Intelligence that can't be defined by our mortal minds. Things have happened to me over time that can't be explained. One is our daughter, who was born with a major heart defect (transposition of the great arteries). She went under the knife at 9 days old. I was on my knees, begging God to protect her and I swore I would do whatever was the will of God. Liana came through surgery not only with flying colors (she was the 21st patient to undergo the new surgical technique), but now at age 13, she is absolutely normal. Her cardiologist proclaimed she is the healthiest patient he has and no doctor could detect that she'd had anything wrong with her heart, if they didn't see her scars. Of course, an atheist would proclaim good surgical technique, and I would agree -- except there is an unkown "something" that I can only describe as feeling--that everything would be alright, I felt it immediately after I first got the news of her defect, and was calm and "knew" (sensed?) she was going to be fine. But my logical mind is the one that was on the knees, begging.
After all of that, when she was about 3, I discovered the Baha'i Faith, which I joined after only a few months. It holds the answers I seek, has given and continues to give a base of morals and values for my children (and me), and although I'm not strongly religious, I can never *not* be a Baha'i. If you don't know what that is, just go to bahai dot org. Basically, it is the belief that there is only one race, the human race, equality of all people (men and women in particular), all religions have validity, religion and science can agree, and of course, the Golden Rule--which is in every major religion.
That's my story!
I agree, there should be a "spiritual" category as well. Being spiritual does not necessarily mean being "religious".
My family is a crazy mix: I was raised as a child in the Presbyterian church until my Dad decided he was an atheist (easy for him, he's an engineer with that logical mind), grandmother and her family Jehovah's Witnesses, other grandmother Presbyterian, mother kind of agnostic, I think, one brother converted to Catholicism and the other is head of the Religious Studies Dept. at a college, and comes closest to the most spiritual person I know--yet is not a member of any religion. He has written books and is one of the leading scholars on Native American religion/spirituality, meditates an hour a day, believes in a kind of magic, dream interpretation and personal spiritual transformation, and is a Hermetic. Wow.
I only attended church a few times from teen years on, but always had feelings of the spiritual. That is something intangible and unmeasurable. When my husband and I had our first child (now 19 years old), I began to think about religion again--how did I want to raise our child? It took me on a quest. I wanted him to have the right values but not be brainwashed. I felt (and still feel) there is some kind of supreme Intelligence that can't be defined by our mortal minds. Things have happened to me over time that can't be explained. One is our daughter, who was born with a major heart defect (transposition of the great arteries). She went under the knife at 9 days old. I was on my knees, begging God to protect her and I swore I would do whatever was the will of God. Liana came through surgery not only with flying colors (she was the 21st patient to undergo the new surgical technique), but now at age 13, she is absolutely normal. Her cardiologist proclaimed she is the healthiest patient he has and no doctor could detect that she'd had anything wrong with her heart, if they didn't see her scars. Of course, an atheist would proclaim good surgical technique, and I would agree -- except there is an unkown "something" that I can only describe as feeling--that everything would be alright, I felt it immediately after I first got the news of her defect, and was calm and "knew" (sensed?) she was going to be fine. But my logical mind is the one that was on the knees, begging.
After all of that, when she was about 3, I discovered the Baha'i Faith, which I joined after only a few months. It holds the answers I seek, has given and continues to give a base of morals and values for my children (and me), and although I'm not strongly religious, I can never *not* be a Baha'i. If you don't know what that is, just go to bahai dot org. Basically, it is the belief that there is only one race, the human race, equality of all people (men and women in particular), all religions have validity, religion and science can agree, and of course, the Golden Rule--which is in every major religion.
That's my story!