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F/T vs. Live Debate

Sorry for db but I ran a search and got mostly sites about snake Venom and levels of toxicity, but nothing about f/t being toxic. . . Maybe if worded differently . . .dunno.
 
@carnivorouszoo: My snake Grrr prefers live. I'm still feeding him live. Almost there for fresh killed, I think. He'll take fresh killed about 40% of the time. I think he's just trying to twist me around his tail, if you know what I mean.
 
i know i probably get flammed from being a live feeder (well i changed my corn to f/t cause of regurgs anyways..)

just a bit of knowledge:
freezing is not a safe way of taking care of viruses/bacteria/parasites, most of the time it just slows down the growth and not completly stop it, thats why we have a certain amount of days/months depending on type of meat we can leave our raw meat frozen because most of it is still growing but slowly. So a safe way for those paranoid of the germs is to find how much is best to freeze the mice. Tough i definitly doubt that that will effect the snakes since they are raw feeders by nature so they can take op on bacteria unless its reallyy badly overrun by the germs.

as for the cooking part:
first those who compared themselves to the snakes about cooking the meat making it toxic to snakes with humans they were being plain stupid.
we are humans, our systems are adapted to eating cooked me unlike animals.
still, raw food is healtier for us unlike popular belief and the world is over paranoid about germs. There were humans who had alergies that only could eat raw cause their stomach couldn't eat cooked food and actualy it saved them.
Even your dog and cat aren't made to eat cooked food.
Yes some of them do survive their full lifespan with dried food but most of the health issues that come up are cause of dried food since its cooked meat and vegtibles.
Also, believe it or not, even with the smalles amount of heat toxins are created in meat and studies showed that those toxins are responsible for some cancer(forgot the name) in as humans that we are adpated to cooked make it, let alone to carnivores.Again maybe its rare, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There were people who just found their snakes dead in the morning and they don't know what happened, so lets not jump to conclusions.

Its true that vitamins are lost with thawing , but thats nonsence effecting the snake since they don't feed so often in nature so frequent feed repays for that.

Another thing for the google search, Google gives different results for different parts of the world for those who don't know.i will try to search about this.

my final words:
if this disease that this guy name doesn't exist, chances of the snakes being hurt by frozen food are really really small and for those who feed freshly killed are the same.
people shouldn't worry about this, since probably the poluted air we have is more dangarous then this and also we can't give 100% imunity to snakes.
 
Even your dog and cat aren't made to eat cooked food.
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O/T, but all tinned dog and cat food is cooked, as well as the content of dried food. By that logic, the only healthy dogs and cats are those fed raw meat or fish.
 
bitsy said:
O/T, but all tinned dog and cat food is cooked, as well as the content of dried food. By that logic, the only healthy dogs and cats are those fed raw meat or fish.
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Exacly, The healthiest dogs/cats/carnivores are those on raw meat. Of course human still sruvive most of their lifespan on junk food, some don't but they aint the healty as they should be.Same with dogs , some of them survive without problems, some of them encounter problems mostly cause be the bad stuff comercial stuff they are fed but then there are the vets who make the money and heal them. but compare a dog on raw meat and one on dried/canned name whatever and you'll see the difference by just opening their mouth and taking a look, smell them or their mouth, touch their fair. its enough to see wich one is healthier.
 
DarkSmoke said:
Exacly, The healthiest dogs/cats/carnivores are those on raw meat. Of course human still sruvive most of their lifespan on junk food, some don't but they aint the healty as they should be.Same with dogs , some of them survive without problems, some of them encounter problems mostly cause be the bad stuff comercial stuff they are fed but then there are the vets who make the money and heal them. but compare a dog on raw meat and one on dried/canned name whatever and you'll see the difference by just opening their mouth and taking a look, smell them or their mouth, touch their fair. its enough to see wich one is healthier.
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Dogs are not true carnivores, they evolved by eating food from human trash heaps. The problem with most pet foods is that they are marketed to consumers that think this or that is cool rather than what is actually healthy for their pets to eat.

now how did i get suckered into this off topic sub-plot?
 
DarkSmoke said:
i know i probably get flammed from being a live feeder (well i changed my corn to f/t cause of regurgs anyways..)

just a bit of knowledge:
freezing is not a safe way of taking care of viruses/bacteria/parasites, most of the time it just slows down the growth and not completly stop it, thats why we have a certain amount of days/months depending on type of meat we can leave our raw meat frozen because most of it is still growing but slowly. So a safe way for those paranoid of the germs is to find how much is best to freeze the mice. Tough i definitly doubt that that will effect the snakes since they are raw feeders by nature so they can take op on bacteria unless its reallyy badly overrun by the germs.

as for the cooking part:
first those who compared themselves to the snakes about cooking the meat making it toxic to snakes with humans they were being plain stupid.
we are humans, our systems are adapted to eating cooked me unlike animals.
still, raw food is healtier for us unlike popular belief and the world is over paranoid about germs. There were humans who had alergies that only could eat raw cause their stomach couldn't eat cooked food and actualy it saved them.
Even your dog and cat aren't made to eat cooked food.
Yes some of them do survive their full lifespan with dried food but most of the health issues that come up are cause of dried food since its cooked meat and vegtibles.
Also, believe it or not, even with the smalles amount of heat toxins are created in meat and studies showed that those toxins are responsible for some cancer(forgot the name) in as humans that we are adpated to cooked make it, let alone to carnivores.Again maybe its rare, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There were people who just found their snakes dead in the morning and they don't know what happened, so lets not jump to conclusions.

Its true that vitamins are lost with thawing , but thats nonsence effecting the snake since they don't feed so often in nature so frequent feed repays for that.

Another thing for the google search, Google gives different results for different parts of the world for those who don't know.i will try to search about this.

my final words:
if this disease that this guy name doesn't exist, chances of the snakes being hurt by frozen food are really really small and for those who feed freshly killed are the same.
people shouldn't worry about this, since probably the poluted air we have is more dangarous then this and also we can't give 100% imunity to snakes.
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[citation needed]
 
gelshark said:
Dogs are not true carnivores, they evolved by eating food from human trash heaps. The problem with most pet foods is that they are marketed to consumers that think this or that is cool rather than what is actually healthy for their pets to eat.

now how did i get suckered into this off topic sub-plot?
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dogs a'int an evolution, dogs are a lot of breeds made by humans from wolves. they didn't evolve to eat trash , the stray ones do it to survive. They are still listed under the order Carnivora , they are true carnivores.
 
There are veterinarians who advocate for a bones-and-raw-food diet for pet dogs & cats. I can't give you a name at the moment, but I know they exist, I just have to get back to working. So DarkSmoke is advocating a minority opinion regarding dogs, but he may be right.

And he's on the correct side of the aisle on the topic feeding live to snakes, so give him some slack!
 
wstphal said:
There are veterinarians who advocate for a bones-and-raw-food diet for pet dogs & cats. I can't give you a name at the moment, but I know they exist, I just have to get back to working. So DarkSmoke is advocating a minority opinion regarding dogs, but he may be right.

And he's on the correct side of the aisle on the topic feeding live to snakes, so give him some slack!
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I don't think he is on the right side of the aisle here, as he feeds live food to his snake for no other reason except that he likes to watch. His snake ate thawed food until he bought it.....
 
starsevol said:
I don't think he is on the right side of the aisle here, as he feeds live food to his snake for no other reason except that he likes to watch. His snake ate thawed food until he bought it.....
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No its not the only reason. There are other reasons.
One of them is its more natural, but i never name that because people will jump on me and complain that keeping a snake in a vivarium on news paper is not natural. But i think it different, i know its not natural but at least we can leave them the most important think that keeps them alive as natural wich is their food. Yeah maybe its not mice/rats they eat in nature but again, we could at least leave them something from their nature and that is how they kill and eat their food since they don't have freezers and thawing to alter the natural state of the dead body in the nature.

no body will probably agree with me on this so save it. i just named you another reason from my reasons why i feed live cause you seem to still think i feed live only for the thrill of watching it.
 
starsevol said:
I don't think he is on the right side of the aisle here, as he feeds live food to his snake for no other reason except that he likes to watch. His snake ate thawed food until he bought it.....
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Then I misunderstood, because he endorsed p/k & f/t in the above post so assumed that's how he fed.
 
DarkSmoke said:
No its not the only reason. There are other reasons.
One of them is its more natural, but i never name that because people will jump on me and complain that keeping a snake in a vivarium on news paper is not natural. But i think it different, i know its not natural but at least we can leave them the most important think that keeps them alive as natural wich is their food. Yeah maybe its not mice/rats they eat in nature but again, we could at least leave them something from their nature and that is how they kill and eat their food since they don't have freezers and thawing to alter the natural state of the dead body in the nature.

no body will probably agree with me on this so save it. i just named you another reason from my reasons why i feed live cause you seem to still think i feed live only for the thrill of watching it.
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It is also "natural" for a hatchling snake to die before it is a year old.
It is also "natural" for a dog to die of distemper.
It is also "natural" for an older animal to die of starvation.

"Natural" has NO PLACE when it comes to a PET.
If you love your pet, you throw "natural" out the window, and do what is best for the pet.....

If you don't demand that your pet dog kill its food, then demanding the same thing of your pet snake is just stupid, and cruelty for cruelties sake alone....
 
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