Dog attack

[animalhouse]

Like I stated above.. They were kept outside and not Socialized. Heck, take a Unsocial Lab..and u can have the same issues. But, Sadly.. some of the people that own Pits.. don't do the breed right. If you were stuck on a chain..and not loved.. Petted..and only saw a human once in a great once in a while.. Would u know what to do with a Kid Poking u in the eye? Pulling ure tail? Screaming in ure face? These are all things Kids/toddlers do to dogs. I would have a hard time with it too.

 

[yellowbellyhippy]

Ya, animal house ... if you saw what I said earlier my 2 year old will BITE our pit *hard* on the face!! She whimpers and walks away. A few years ago I had a pit who was regularly being tormented by some teenage neighbor boys and she was in our fenced yard. They would come up to the fence and hit her with a blow up bat. (the kind you get at baseball games or whatever) They called the cops on us because our pit would bark and growl at them. Well, we took video of it one day and they were charged with harassment.

 

[Lucille]

Same as any other breed. Mostly torment(from a child) . Improper raising of the dog. Im sure I could think of more!

It seems to me that dog lovers who love certain breeds explain away certain kinds of behavior.
It just seems to me that you don't hear of that many labs or Irish setters in maulings.

And to say a dog mauls because it was improperly raised is not a good defense at all, since we all know parents make lots of mistakes raising kids, let alone puppies. So there should be no dogs permitted at all in most households because of the possibilty of improper raising? Are you saying that?

I'm not arguing. Just observing.

 

[yellowbellyhippy]

It seems to me that dog lovers who love certain breeds explain away certain kinds of behavior.
It just seems to me that you don't hear of that many labs or Irish setters in maulings.

And to say a dog mauls because it was improperly raised is not a good defense at all, since we all know parents make lots of mistakes raising kids, let alone puppies. So there should be no dogs permitted at all in most households because of the possibilty of improper raising? Are you saying that?

I'm not arguing. Just observing.

There are those(labs ect) cases! The media *chooses* to cover the bull breeds. It's hype. To me, it is just as bad as saying a black person is more violent than a white person. In our area, the black crimes surpass the white by far. Does it change how I view black people>? Am I more scared? NO!

 

[Lucille]

There are those(labs ect) cases! The media *chooses* to cover the bull breeds. It's hype. To me, it is just as bad as saying a black person is more violent than a white person. In our area, the black crimes surpass the white by far. Does it change how I view black people>? Am I more scared? NO!

I disagree with you. It seems to me personally that black people and white people are much more alike than yorkies and pit bulls. Not hype.

 

[Sweetseraph]

Just because you don't hear things on the news, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just because you've never heard of something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I don't personally know of any pit bull attacks, but I do know of several pit bulls who have been attacked by other dogs and did not fight back. But you can't base your opinions of what you've heard on the news or even of what you think you know personally in your limited experience.

I love pit bulls (and all dogs), but I will freely admit that, yes, pit bulls (and all dogs) could definitely see a small child as prey. I'm not sure what the point is though. Should we ban all large dogs capable of harming small children? I've seen more kids threatened by small dogs than large dogs. Small dogs bite because that's their only defense. Large dogs can get up and walk away, but small dogs can't. So we need to ban all dogs. And cars too. And swimming pools.

 

[yellowbellyhippy]

I disagree with you. It seems to me personally that black people and white people are much more alike than yorkies and pit bulls. Not hype.

Both dogs. Both humans. Pretty black and white. Also, I have never met a friendly yapper dog. Ever. My dad has a lhaso apso (sp?) and it is the devil! That dog will try to attack people from inside the car if they walk by! :shrugs:
I dunno, I love giving the misunderstood a chance and prooving that humans are to blame. Kind of like snake owners.

 

[vetusvates]

Uhmmm...again, Comoxcorn's reference and even Wikipedia (wikicrapia submitted by anyonia) contradict the maulings by pointers, setters, and retrievers.

And, I respect 100% the intention and theory of Lauren's (Hypancistrus) post.
However, snakes were not first domesticated, then selectively bred for behaviors. By humans.
Pit bull dogs were FIRST domesticated by men, thousands of years ago. By humans.
Then about half-a-thousand years ago, breeding to kill and fight to the death were traits selectively cultivated for in this particular type of dog. By humans.
The academic parallel with snakes/reptiles/amphibians/herps is....imperfect.

My father was not in the "responsible hobbyist" category of pit bull keeper.
I am sure there certainly exist responsible keepers of pit bulls. And I will fight to the death for the rights of these responsible hobbyists. Seriously.
AND there are such people right on this very forum. I'm talking you, Tara (YBH) and others. Nanci. I can't think of everybody, but there are several.
But the dogs are what they are because they have been made that way by humans who wanted an animal that could engage in bull-baiting (in a pit, hence the name pit bull) and bear-baiting.
I find it as foolhardy and repugnant and dangerous to sit with rose-colored glasses.....for a non well-read, non-researched herp-keeper......as I do for a non-well-read, non-researched pit bull-keeper.

Again, for an extreme, I must emphasize that nobody wanted Tilicum, the killer whale, to kill his loving keeper.
And she was a responsible, well-read, well-researched keeper.
Of an animal whose NATURE is other than setter, pointer, or retriever.
No matter what tricks he had been lovingly taught to do.

 

[Lucille]

I love giving the misunderstood a chance and prooving that humans are to blame. Kind of like snake owners.

I understand. And empathize with your feelings. And we are having a chat, a discussion, not an argument.

I have to say that I'm like you, maybe it's a woman thing, I reach out to the 'underdog'.

But when you factor in mauled children those warm fuzzy feelings go away.
I'm not pinning blame, just saying how I feel.

 

[yellowbellyhippy]

I understand. And empathize with your feelings. And we are having a chat, a discussion, not an argument.

I have to say that I'm like you, maybe it's a woman thing, I reach out to the 'underdog'.

But when you factor in mauled children those warm fuzzy feelings go away.
I'm not pinning blame, just saying how I feel.

I totally understand and respect you I just want the WHOLE world to know how loving and deserving these pups are. The media does crazy things to our mental state and opinions. I even approach wandering pits in our neighborhood. Ive NEVER had a problem. Now, once I owned a lab who would bite anyone who woke it.

 

[wade]

Tara, I know you love you dogs and treat them well. There are very extensive studies that show that Pit Bulls and Rotties are causing 63% of the dog related emergency room visits. That isn't the new reports those are the actual numbers. When you figures all of the other dogs who could be biting and are not 63% is a huge number. German shepherds, Doberman, labs, blue healers, on and on there are dozens of breeds in the remaining 37%

 

[yellowbellyhippy]

Tara, I know you love you dogs and treat them well. There are very extensive studies that show that Pit Bulls and Rotties are causing 63% of the dog related emergency room visits. That isn't the new reports those are the actual numbers. When you figures all of the other dogs who could be biting and are not 63% is a huge number. German shepherds, Doberman, labs, blue healers, on and on there are dozens of breeds in the remaining 37%

Wade, I think they are more often reported. Take a look at what I earlier posted about the teenage boys harassing my pit. Even though they were charged it was written in history (social media) that I had a fierce attack dog.

 

[ClickClickClickBOOM!]

Tara, I know you love you dogs and treat them well. There are very extensive studies that show that Pit Bulls and Rotties are causing 63% of the dog related emergency room visits. That isn't the new reports those are the actual numbers. When you figures all of the other dogs who could be biting and are not 63% is a huge number. German shepherds, Doberman, labs, blue healers, on and on there are dozens of breeds in the remaining 37%

But are these statistics accurate in the fact that they ONLY include true bully breeds? Or are they including the look-a-likes and mixes the are CLAIMED to be pits?

 

[yellowbellyhippy]

I also want to add, all of the neighbors feared my dog because of the police visit. I was the " bad pit owner" of the 'hood.

 

[Lucille]

I totally understand and respect you I just want the WHOLE world to know how loving and deserving these pups are. The media does crazy things to our mental state and opinions. I even approach wandering pits in our neighborhood. Ive NEVER had a problem. Now, once I owned a lab who would bite anyone who woke it.

As a responsible owner you have every right to love your dog. But there is no question in my mind that these dogs are large and responsible for a disproportionate number of maulings and bites.

I think that in a heart to heart conversation, the first thing to do is to recognize that both sides have a little piece of the truth by the tail.

There are bitey labs. But it is not a media hype that pits maul and bite more than some other dogs. I think pit owners just naturally want to deny because the dogs themselves are often very sweet. But cast aside the ntural inclination to defend and deny. I'm not saying your dogs are not loving, I know you, and I know they must be wonderful.

 

[Lucille]

But are these statistics accurate in the fact that they ONLY include true bully breeds? Or are they including the look-a-likes and mixes the are CLAIMED to be pits?

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck......

 

[yellowbellyhippy]

Lucille, I love your posts and love what you contribute. You are formally invited to my house. For dinner. Bring your dogs and toddlers and I will pay you 1k if anything happens. And trust me, pay day loans suck! ;-)

 

[animalhouse]

Well, Aussies... And Collies.. are bred to Herd.. And they are known for not being good with small kids.. or animals, Because THEY WANT TO HERD them. Lol Same thing. But, people have them around kids.
I see people wanting to get a Small dog.. Like a Chi.. or.. Yorkie.. or.. w/e because they have small kids.. But, they are known for not being good with Kids.. Does that stop people? No, and there kids get bite too. So, Why not ban them.. Why not tell people they have to Muzzle there Chi's around kids? and people? out of the 3 chi's living here with me.. 1 is good with people.. the other two.. aren't.. till they get to know you. My Lab/Poodle cross... Backed the bug man to a wall..Someone she has known since she was 5 mo old. Because he came in when I wasn't home..and my mom's room mate was there alone. My Pits.. Will Lick ya to death. I take Jade to Every Big event I can. At the last event I went to.. A guy and his.. Maybe 10mo old Daughter squated down to say Hi. I wasn't even looking at her, I was talking to a vendor. She was next to my side. I looked down to see why she was tugging on the leash..and she was sitting in between the guys knees.. Licking the babies face. And being as gentle as she could be. A rescue there had 2 kitten..Maybe 3-4 mo old in a cage for adoption.. on the floor. And Normally I see kittens Jump away from dogs.. And Hiss, spit and everything.. These two.. Nope! They were sticking there little tabby paws out the cage.. Patting Jade on the nose..Butt.. Playing with her tail. She just sat there...Licking them through the cage. The Rescue volunteer was like "Woah I have never seen them like a dog like this before.. very cute!!"

So, No, Not all Pit are child mauling.. Cat Killing dog attacking machines.

Here is a pic my friend took .. of her 3 dogs.. and my 3 dogs.. 2 of which are pits..

Jade and one of my Roomie's Chis

Topaz, My Kitty...licking Jade

Wish I had pics of her with my friends 3week old baby when she was here. But I forgot. Lol

I wish people would judge the incidents on a per basis thing. Not judge all the dogs in the breed. because people like me.. that have a good well rounded dog.. could loose them to BSL. And that is what is so Upsetting.
Jade is going to be getting tested soon.. to start going to Shriners to help sick Kids. And to go to a Assisted living facility to help Elderly. She will love this!

 

[Lucille]

Lucille, I love your posts and love what you contribute. You are formally invited to my house. For dinner. Bring your dogs and toddlers and I will pay you 1k if anything happens. And trust me, pay day loans suck! ;-)

I accept the dinner invite for some time in the future, it would be such a pleasure to actually meet you.

And I know nothing would happen.

You are a wonderful and careful owner. That does not change statistics.

 

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http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/Garry.Laffredi.Pit.2.327350.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9B06E4DE103EE033A25756C2A96E9C946697D6CF

Here are two cases of small dogs being aggressive. Does this mean they all are? No. Does the pit bull attacks the media CHOOSES to show you mean that every pit is aggressive? No. Where are all these 'facts' gathered? From REPORTED attacks. Most people DON'T report an attack that isn't fatal. So this leave the pits looking like th bad guys! Looking like the worst. I have to admit that YES there are some aggressive pits! I've had MY pit attacked by suck a pit and the owner did NOTHING. But then there are those pits like MINE and my friends. My friend had a female pit who was shot to death. She had been left in the FENCED yard while Kylah was out running some errands. Three teenagers CLIMBED her fence and shot her dog. The neighbors behind her heard the first shot and looked through her window to see what was going on, she saw the pit((Mia)) bleeding from her side, sitting in front of these people, wagging her tail and licking their hands as they got ready to shoot her in her head. She was dead before the cops came. I don't think she even registered that these humans where causing her pain and she was trying to please them to the end. And as Animalhouse said....my brothers Chi mix is more likely to bite you then my three pits COMBINED.