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New health care bill

Hypancistrus

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So does anyone know how this will affect those of us that already carry health care from our employer? Will we still be allowed to keep our current plan? I hope so... I have two doctors (OB/GYN and Allergist) that I really like.
 
So does anyone know how this will affect those of us that already carry health care from our employer? Will we still be allowed to keep our current plan? I hope so... I have two doctors (OB/GYN and Allergist) that I really like.

According to some little tool in the washington post, employer HC will not change, but I can't say that that gives me a lot of hope.
 
The true answer is that nobody knows. At the moment, nothing has changed, but over time it may change or it may not. So we are making an historic leap into the unknown!
 
David, you got that right! Now, the question is, will it be beneficial enough to justify that?
 
I would hope I have a job that pays for normal insurance. Not crappy Obamacare.

True. But I can tell you that Tara lost her insurance for 8 months when she changed jobs. If that were me (I have asthma) I would have been SOL. That gave me a different perspective of the issue....

I think the idea is good in principle... but bad in actualization. How will they pay for this? They say "the rich" will pay for it... but I just don't believe it. And I am very happy with my own health care that I pay for, so I really hope this will not impact it....
 
Remember in the last election when everyone said “I don’t like it the way it is now, I don’t care what we get as long as it is different”. That is the Health Care Plan. Don’t know what it is but it will be different than now. Some people feel they will get something for nothing. Some people feel they will be paying for it. I guess it depends on which side of the coin you are on.
 
I think the idea is good in principle... but bad in actualization. How will they pay for this? They say "the rich" will pay for it... but I just don't believe it. And I am very happy with my own health care that I pay for, so I really hope this will not impact it....

Who are the Rich that are going to pay for it? Lauren in your case your health care is provided by your employer, the school district. The school district has a budget every year. They have X dollars to spend. If the spend some of them on Health Care for employees, then they have fewer dollars to spend on salaries, book, buildings, ….

It is the same for the RICH guy that owns the grocery store. If he has to provide Health Care for his people, then he can cut salaries to help pay for that, or he can raise prices to help pay for that. Who pays for it? His employees and customers.

I know, The doctors and hospitals are where the RICH guys are. They can all volunteer to work for less. That will help them empathize with the poor folk. The will offer better service for less.

Sad truth is, you and I will pay for it and nobody is going to come out a head.
 
Sad truth is, you and I will pay for it and nobody is going to come out a head.

But the thing is we already do pay for it.

Many people without insurance use the ER as their primary care. The ER has to treat them. But since they don't have insurance who gets stuck with the bill? People with insurance have those costs passed on to them. So while someone used to go to the ER for strep throat and got a bill for $1000, maybe since they'll have insurance, they'll go to the doctor for $100.

(At least that is how its supposed to work on paper. Though everything is perfect on paper, we all should wait and see how it works in practice).
 
Since the beginning of time the government has never made anything cheaper or more efficient. I don't imagine this will be any different.
 
Here is one man's opinion.

A Campaign Begins Today [Mitt Romney]
America has just witnessed an unconscionable abuse of power. President Obama has betrayed his oath to the nation — rather than bringing us together, ushering in a new kind of politics, and rising above raw partisanship, he has succumbed to the lowest denominator of incumbent power: justifying the means by extolling the ends. He promised better; we deserved better.

He calls his accomplishment “historic” — in this he is correct, although not for the reason he intends. Rather, it is an historic usurpation of the legislative process — he unleashed the nuclear option, enlisted not a single Republican vote in either chamber, bribed reluctant members of his own party, paid-off his union backers, scapegoated insurers, and justified his act with patently fraudulent accounting. What Barack Obama has ushered into the American political landscape is not good for our country; in the words of an ancient maxim, “what starts twisted, ends twisted.”

His health-care bill is unhealthy for America. It raises taxes, slashes the more private side of Medicare, installs price controls, and puts a new federal bureaucracy in charge of health care. It will create a new entitlement even as the ones we already have are bankrupt. For these reasons and more, the act should be repealed. That campaign begins today.
 
I'm fine by it. As a seasonal biologist, I get no benefits. I have not had health insurance in several years. It will be nice to have SOMETHING. Paying for it in the form of taxes will be a heck of a lot cheaper than blue cross charging me $160/mo for basic insurance (which I did for a year but could not afford). High insurance rates reflect the cost of those uninsured, so you or your boss is paying for it anyway.
 
I know, The doctors and hospitals are where the RICH guys are. They can all volunteer to work for less. That will help them empathize with the poor folk. The will offer better service for less.

The biggest number of people who work at hospitals are NOT rich. They are nurses, patient care assistants, and janitors. They are physical therapists and respiratory therapists. They are OR techs and ER techs and radiology techs and MRI techs. None of them is rich.

There are certainly some physicians who are really well off. But consider this for a minute. Primary care physicians, the obstetricians who deliver the babies, the pediatricians who keep those babies & kids healthy, and the internists and family practice physicians who keep adults healthy, or at least try to, make between $100,000 and $150,000 a year. They usually pay $30,000 or more in student loan repayments. That leaves $70,000 to $120,000, good money but not really rich. And they don't get 401Ks with matching, so they have to save for retirement without any help from their employers. And they have to pay mortgages, and car payments, and then college tuition for their kids when the time comes. So do you really think they are rich? Think again.

So where are the rich people who are going to pay for this?
 
Oh don't give me that Betsy, I've spent time in the hospital. I know those nurses are getting the big bucks. I've been thinking about going back to school for another degree.
 
Oh don't give me that Betsy, I've spent time in the hospital. I know those nurses are getting the big bucks. I've been thinking about going back to school for another degree.
Don't even make me kick you in the nads for even suggesting that nurses are paid worth their salt, old man.
 
Nads? Lori, I thought we were friends. I was just poking Betsy a little. No harm done.
 
Who are the Rich that are going to pay for it? Lauren in your case your health care is provided by your employer, the school district. The school district has a budget every year. They have X dollars to spend. If the spend some of them on Health Care for employees, then they have fewer dollars to spend on salaries, book, buildings, ….

It is the same for the RICH guy that owns the grocery store. If he has to provide Health Care for his people, then he can cut salaries to help pay for that, or he can raise prices to help pay for that. Who pays for it? His employees and customers.

I know, The doctors and hospitals are where the RICH guys are. They can all volunteer to work for less. That will help them empathize with the poor folk. The will offer better service for less.

Sad truth is, you and I will pay for it and nobody is going to come out a head.


I work at a charitable hospital and we write off MILLIONS every quarter so that people without healthcare coverage still receive the care they need and deserve. I certainly don't feel I should be making less because I'm not rich. Its our own medical coverage through the hospital that is rotten. I would still rather have that than some of what I've heard about Obamacare.
 
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