New health care bill

[tsst]

Wayne, that is just the thing that makes my blood boil. Your article says the actual cost of medical care will go up for more than half of Americans. Kyles article says it's Christmas and everything is free. That is how it got sold and jammed down our throats. I can't believe people believe this crap. When have you ever, ever seen the government make anything cheaper and more efficient. I is not going to happen.

The SS Admin, Medicare, Medicaid, the Postal Service, toilet seats for the Army, etc. What are you talking about they do EVERYTHING better! LMAO :grin01:

 

[ForkedTung]

Kyles article says it's Christmas and everything is free. That is how it got sold and jammed down our throats. I can't believe people believe this crap.

I actually did not write the article so giving me credit for it is disingenuous. Your pathetic attempt to turn this into something against me because I called you out on another racist post of yours and now your nagging me with PM's ( that I don't respond to) titled "Guesses and Explanations" about some paranoid conspiracy against you by myself, Lauren, the GLBT, 'the Hatch' and Alan. Maybe you could try just leaving myself out of your posts and I will do the same,just like I have been.

 

[medusacoils]

Ok, while I was in colorado this past weekend, I saw a sign in someones yard. It said, "You think health care is expensive now...... Wait till its free!"

I had to laugh because its true. Everyone hears "Free" just like they heard "Change" they did not take into consideration whether or not free is actually free, or the Change was a good change.

:roflmao: :roflmao:I'm gonna steal that and put it in my siggy! That's Awesome!

Wayne

 

[Drizzt80]

But the thing is we already do pay for it.

I keep reading/hearing this excuse as if it's a legitimate reason for this new system. IF that is truly the case, why the urgency?? Any joe blow can walk into the hospital and get care on someone else's dime already . . . by that argument.

Why does a 3 hour visit to the emergency room for a kidney stone cost $4500?? You really blame lack of national health care on that???

:shrugs:
D80

 

[wade]

I actually did not write the article so giving me credit for it is disingenuous. Your pathetic attempt to turn this into something against me because I called you out on another racist post of yours and now your nagging me with PM's ( that I don't respond to) titled "Guesses and Explanations" about some paranoid conspiracy against you by myself, Lauren, the GLBT, 'the Hatch' and Alan. Maybe you could try just leaving myself out of your posts and I will do the same,just like I have been.

Are you nuts? Calm down and take a deep breath. I'm sorry I commented on the article you posted.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

I keep reading/hearing this excuse as if it's a legitimate reason for this new system. IF that is truly the case, why the urgency?? Any joe blow can walk into the hospital and get care on someone else's dime already . . . by that argument.

Why does a 3 hour visit to the emergency room for a kidney stone cost $4500?? You really blame lack of national health care on that???

:shrugs:
D80

Um, it's 3 hours because having a kidney stone is not more important than say, my 88 year old great grandfather coming in with a 12 hour long heart attack and therefore it doesn't take priority. If your argument is that ERs should be on a first come, first serve priority, go ahead and try to implement that and enjoy all the deaths on hospital property because nurses and surgeons were too busy stitching up someone's nasty spill to pay attention to the people having strokes and heart failure.

It costs $4500 at the ER because, as stated in this thread already, they will treat you whether you have insurance/are a legal citizen or not (I know some of you find it ridiculous that the ILLEGALS be allowed to have car accident wounds and broken bones treated when clearly we should be asking for an ID and a birth certificate at the door of the ER, and anyone who isn't a PURE 'MERKAN CITIZEN should be left to die outside) and that has to be payed for somehow, by someone. It's not a fair system but neither is the "give us money before we help you get that bullet out of your stomache" system. I have to wonder how many of you have actually needed serious medical help that you think we shouldn't have national health care. The bill itself may need editing (as they all do) but A: it's just a rough draft to get it out there so they can do the reconciliation and B: it won't go into effect for 5 years. If cars are required to have insurance, why aren't people?

 

[LBoz]

Um, it's 3 hours because having a kidney stone is not more important than say, my 88 year old great grandfather coming in with a 12 hour long heart attack and therefore it doesn't take priority. If your argument is that ERs should be on a first come, first serve priority, go ahead and try to implement that and enjoy all the deaths on hospital property because nurses and surgeons were too busy stitching up someone's nasty spill to pay attention to the people having strokes and heart failure.

It costs $4500 at the ER because, as stated in this thread already, they will treat you whether you have insurance/are a legal citizen or not (I know some of you find it ridiculous that the ILLEGALS be allowed to have car accident wounds and broken bones treated when clearly we should be asking for an ID and a birth certificate at the door of the ER, and anyone who isn't a PURE 'MERKAN CITIZEN should be left to die outside) and that has to be payed for somehow, by someone. It's not a fair system but neither is the "give us money before we help you get that bullet out of your stomache" system. I have to wonder how many of you have actually needed serious medical help that you think we shouldn't have national health care. The bill itself may need editing (as they all do) but A: it's just a rough draft to get it out there so they can do the reconciliation and B: it won't go into effect for 5 years. If cars are required to have insurance, why aren't people?

Pepper, your infantile judgments and rants about something you clearly know very little about are getting old.

 

[susang]

Is the added cost to your taxes REALLY worth more to you all than thousands of Americans dying yearly because they can't afford to see a doctor? How incredibly selfish and short-sighted. I hope everyone feels the exact same way for all of you should you ever lose your jobs and be without insurance. "Oh, you've broken a leg? Well you better step gently, because I don't want to pay a couple more dollars every month so you can fix it."

OK I'm really peeved the more I think about your post. I am neither selfish nor short-sighted, rather pragmatic. The law isn't clear. I don't think many on here are selfish or short-sighted.
I know the gods will kick me for this but why should a sugar eating 13 year old get unlimited dental and vision via Medical? I have to pay for my dental and vision, is it because I am older and will likely die sooner so why bother with me. I see and have seen lots of abuse on both sides by docs and hospitals charging huge amounts for tests which cost little and I have seen a person come into the ER via ambulance with a splinter because Medical would pay for it. I could go on and on, last time I was in the hospital I was charged $15.50 for a welcome pack (toothbrush, lotion...) I told them I had my own. They left it anyway.
I am neither embarrased or ashamed of my feelings on this.

 

[susang]

Pepper, your infantile judgments and rants about something you clearly know very little about is getting old.

Ditto and what is a 12 hour long heart attack. I have yet to see a first come first serve ER as bad as our hoepital is you are evaluated soon after you enter if you are having chest pain they check you immediatly. After evalutaion you wait to see the doc, but if chest pain is heart related you are taken in immediatly.

 

[ForkedTung]

Are you nuts? Calm down and take a deep breath. I'm sorry I commented on the article you posted.

I don't want or need your PM's or insults, "nuts" or "going off the deep end" would be thinking that members here care enough about your Jekyll and Hyde routine to form some sort of conspiracy. I want to make this clear, Stop sending me PM's, stop referring to me in your posts and I will do likewise, exactly like I have been, that should not be so difficult to understand.

 

[tsst]

A three hour wait in the ER might even be a cost controlling thing. Think about it, if you have to wait 3 or 4 hrs to be seen in the ER for a sore throat maybe you don't go. But if you can make an appt and go straight to the doc anytime for free (for some) how many will abuse the system for every little scratch and bump knowing someone else will pick up the tab? :shrugs:

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

OK I'm really peeved the more I think about your post. I am neither selfish nor short-sighted, rather pragmatic. The law isn't clear. I don't think many on here are selfish or short-sighted.
I know the gods will kick me for this but why should a sugar eating 13 year old get unlimited dental and vision via Medical? I have to pay for my dental and vision, is it because I am older and will likely die sooner so why bother with me. I see and have seen lots of abuse on both sides by docs and hospitals charging huge amounts for tests which cost little and I have seen a person come into the ER via ambulance with a splinter because Medical would pay for it. I could go on and on, last time I was in the hospital I was charged $15.50 for a welcome pack (toothbrush, lotion...) I told them I had my own. They left it anyway.
I am neither embarrased or ashamed of my feelings on this.

Ditto and what is a 12 hour long heart attack. I have yet to see a first come first serve ER as bad as our hoepital is you are evaluated soon after you enter if you are having chest pain they check you immediatly. After evalutaion you wait to see the doc, but if chest pain is heart related you are taken in immediatly.

I tried to read your posts, ma'am, but all I can see is "bawwwwwwwww the whole world is against me and only me and I'm the worst one off here".

 

[Outcast]

You know, Its always on discussions like this that you see peoples true colors.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

You know, Its always on discussions like this that you see peoples true colors.

I couldn't agree more, Aaron, and apparently most people's colors are selfish, judgmental, and bigoted.

 

[Outcast]

And yours seem childish and very abrasive to those "selfish, judgmental and bigoted" people.

 

[susang]

I couldn't agree more, Aaron, and apparently most people's colors are selfish, judgmental, and bigoted.

Lady you are barking up the wrong tree here I am neither a bigot, selfish or judgemental. Iam not not saying poor me only saying the system is skewed. Many on here will attest when it comes to bigotry as in race, creed or sexual orientation, legal or illegal status, I stick my neck out to protect everyone. Selfish never not in me help people all the time even if it is hard for me to give. Judgemental sometimes especially people like you who think the world owes everyone in all cases. Let me add again my husband has no medical insurance we pay for his medical care and the bill scares me.
I would still like to know what a 12 hour heart attack is?

 

[wade]

I don't want or need your PM's or insults, "nuts" or "going off the deep end" would be thinking that members here care enough about your Jekyll and Hyde routine to form some sort of conspiracy. I want to make this clear, Stop sending me PM's, stop referring to me in your posts and I will do likewise, exactly like I have been, that should not be so difficult to understand.

I have tried twice, two times, to find out what you are upset about by sending you PM in the hope to resolve your problem in private. I will not send you any more PMs.

If you post on a public forum, you can expect the public to comment. I will comment on the posts I choose to. If you can't handle that then don't post.

I don't know what your problem is but if you want to throw rocks at me in public you can expect a reply. That is just the way it is going to be.

 

[LBoz]

I couldn't agree more, Aaron, and apparently most people's colors are selfish, judgmental, and bigoted.

Pepper, are you going for a personal best...to see how rude, arrogant, judgmental and infantile you can be, all in one post? What, you have no concept about the politics behind this bill, you have nothing constructive or helpful to add, so instead, you go with the "You're all mean!!" :crying: approach?

And don't bother giving us another "I have mental issues, so that's why I act this way" routine. We've heard it ad nauseum. You don't know Susan, and you certainly haven't earned the right to treat a long standing, respected member of the forum this way.

Do us a favor, go change your pull-up, go back to reading your Twilight book and leave this discussion until you actually have something worthwhile to add. kthxbai.

 

[jazzgeek]

<----------------- I'll be selling peanuts, popcorn, and soft drinks over THERE.

(Which is pretty freaking awesome capitalistic for the Librul Marxo-Fascist Pinko Socialist Alinskyite that some may consider me to be.)

 

[LBoz]

(Which is pretty freaking awesome capitalistic for the Librul Marxo-Fascist Pinko Socialist Alinskyite that some may consider me to be.)

Don't forget masticatedly challenged! :sidestep: