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Nine teens charged with bullying in teen's suicide

Not all teen suicides get reported. And not all parents would know if it is from bullying or not. I was fortunate that my parents helped create a very strong core and sense of self-worth in me when I was very young, which helped me deal with the bullying I received. Not all people are that lucky. Just as not all people have parents that can afford to buy them a $35,000 car on a whim. You've been very very sheltered.
 
LOL ok well to tell you the truth i maybe in a sheltered area but IM FAAAAAR from sheltered...

UGH also i dont get everything i want... (dont have a corn snake)
All im saying is there is more to this story then just bullying wiether people agree or not...
 
BrandNew said:
Also no kid should have criminal charges for some one eles killing them selves .
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Why not? Adults can have charges brought against them for harassment, and abuse. Harassment and abuse are against the law so why do you think kids should be permitted to break the law without having to face the consequences? No matter how some kids behave harassment is illegal and so is abuse. If they ever threatened her they were also committing assault in addition to the harassment and abuse. What about being a minor makes you exempt from following the law? What about the speed limit lots of 16 year olds speed so should we exempt them from the law or should we ticket them? Or theft since lots of kids steal candy from a store, does that mean we should just let them, or should we punish the kids teach them it is not ok to steal? Or drug/alcohol use? Lots of kids experiment with that stuff but you had better believe that if you get caught with weed or booze you are gonna be charged. In addition to the laws regarding harassment and abuse are there any other laws that you think kids should be exempt from having to follow? And what about being a minor makes you think that you should be exempt from following the law?
 
BrandNew said:
Ok well like you said when i get in trouble by people my mom will always defend me to the edge of the earth but when i get home a diffrent story she wont let it show in front of people so i bet there are parents just like her in real life
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That's the problem with some parents. It's the whole, "My little angel" syndrome. My kid can do no wrong! My kid, my kid, my kid. WELL DAMNIT, WHAT ABOUT MY KID?

SECONDLY the school really cant do that much they can suspend them they can exspel them but online iits a diffrent story snitching will make the teasing worse and worse therefore pushing her even closer to her edge. So i dont udnerstand what you want parents and school to do you cant rid them of all communication with the girl its virtually imposible theres always a way
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You might not think there is a lot that they could do, but there is. Be it suspensions, expulsions, detentions, etc. Maybe they could require the children involved to seek counseling to figure out why they need to bully? There is a lot that can be done, but doing nothing can be the worst!

AND now that i think about it if she had a face book im shur she had tons of friends and if they were bullying her on face book why would she repidelty get back on??? just dosnt make sense to me.
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So, because she is being bullied, she can no longer visit social networking sites? How about the kids doing the bullying getting banned? Doesn't that sound fair?

What if you wanted to go to a school dance or party. Except when you got there, you were picked on by a couple of kids in the school and the schools position on the situation was that YOU had to leave, because you don't have to be there and get bullied. Does that sound fair?

Wayne
 
For those who did not read the article:

The charges include statutory rape, violation of civil rights with bodily injury resulting, criminal harassment, and disturbing a school assembly.
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Sorry, but there is no excuse for some of those charges.
 
Dinah said:
Why not? Adults can have charges brought against them for harassment, and abuse. Harassment and abuse are against the law so why do you think kids should be permitted to break the law without having to face the consequences? No matter how some kids behave harassment is illegal and so is abuse. If they ever threatened her they were also committing assault in addition to the harassment and abuse. What about being a minor makes you exempt from following the law? What about the speed limit lots of 16 year olds speed so should we exempt them from the law or should we ticket them? Or theft since lots of kids steal candy from a store, does that mean we should just let them, or should we punish the kids teach them it is not ok to steal? Or drug/alcohol use? Lots of kids experiment with that stuff but you had better believe that if you get caught with weed or booze you are gonna be charged. In addition to the laws regarding harassment and abuse are there any other laws that you think kids should be exempt from having to follow? And what about being a minor makes you think that you should be exempt from following the law?
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OK WELL firstly calm down....

Secondly i never said they should be exempt from the law.

Ok harassment from adults and abuse are intentionally made to make the person fell awkward or abused.

I highly doubt these kids knew she would commit suicide

THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY
IF that girl wouldnt have committed suicide do you think they deserved to have criminal charges?

If no then my point been proven...
 
Even if the charges against them weren't so severe, they should have been expelled and had their IP and name banned from facebook.

And as to not knowing? Well crud, when I get into the car I don't drive around expecting to kill someone with it, but I *know* that should I not pay attention, should I not be cautious, should I do stupid stuff like tailgating (bullying for the freeway!), there is a chance that I could indeed cause someone to die.
 
BrandNew said:
OK WELL firstly calm down....

Secondly i never said they should be exempt from the law.

Ok harassment from adults and abuse are intentionally made to make the person fell awkward or abused.

I highly doubt these kids knew she would commit suicide

THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY
IF that girl wouldnt have committed suicide do you think they deserved to have criminal charges?

If no then my point been proven...
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So a bar tender who serves a drink to an obviously intoxicated person, should be able to say, "I didn't know S/He was going to get into a car accident and kill an entire family when S/He drove away from the bar."

Just because you don't think something would happen, doesn't mean that it can't or you shouldn't be charged with a crime.

You are responsible for the things you do and cause.

Wayne
 
medusacoils said:
That's the problem with some parents. It's the whole, "My little angel" syndrome. My kid can do no wrong! My kid, my kid, my kid. WELL DAMNIT, WHAT ABOUT MY KID?



You might not think there is a lot that they could do, but there is. Be it suspensions, expulsions, detentions, etc. Maybe they could require the children involved to seek counseling to figure out why they need to bully? There is a lot that can be done, but doing nothing can be the worst!



So, because she is being bullied, she can no longer visit social networking sites? How about the kids doing the bullying getting banned? Doesn't that sound fair?

What if you wanted to go to a school dance or party. Except when you got there, you were picked on by a couple of kids in the school and the schools position on the situation was that YOU had to leave, because you don't have to be there and get bullied. Does that sound fair?

Wayne
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Wayne like i said my mom in the end punished me so just like your defensive about your kid so are other parents

LIKE I SAID Exspulsion Suspension Detention dosnt fix the proably if my give the child punishment but its no gonna stop them

IF you were being bullied to the point where it made you wanna kill you self dose it make sense to repeat the samething over just to see how they are make fun of you. ITS like the defention of instanity...

If i wanted to go to a dance or party i wouldnt be going by my self there for i wouldnt worry all that much on bullying cause i have supportfull friends and

AND nine boys trying to make fun of me im shur there'd be a mosh pit CAUSE I DONT TAKE * from nobody (atleast not till next year in highschool then im *
 
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medusacoils said:
So a bar tender who serves a drink to an obviously intoxicated person, should be able to say, "I didn't know S/He was going to get into a car accident and kill an entire family when S/He drove away from the bar."

Just because you don't think something would happen, doesn't mean that it can't or you shouldn't be charged with a crime.

You are responsible for the things you do and cause.

Wayne
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Why should a bar tender be charged for a Drinkers who drives stupidty if they offer you money in Va i dont think theres a law where you can tell them no.. So yea.. i still dont agree with you
 
BrandNew said:
Wayne like i said my mom in the end punished me so just like your defensive about your kid so are other parents

LIKE I SAID Exspulsion Suspension Detention dosnt fix the proably if my give the child punishment but its no gonna stop them

IF you were being bullied to the point where it made you wanna kill you self dose it make sense to repeat the samething over just to see how they are make fun of you. ITS like the defention of instanity...

If i wanted to go to a dance or party i wouldnt be going by my self there for i wouldnt worry all that much on bullying cause i have supportfull friends and

AND nine boys trying to make fun of me im shur there'd be a mosh pit CAUSE I DONT TAKE SH** from nobody (atleast not till next year in highschool then im F**ked
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You really need to calm down and start watching your language. It's just a discussion! Something civilized adults do. :shrugs:

You don't have to agree with everything that is being written, but you need to maintain a modicum of civility.

Wayne
 
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medusacoils said:
You really need to calm down and start watching your language. It's just a discussion! Something adults do. :shrugs:

You don't have to agree with everything that is being wrote, but you need to maintain a modicum of civility.

Wayne
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civilized lol ok sorry
 
BrandNew said:
OK WELL firstly calm down....

Secondly i never said they should be exempt from the law.

Ok harassment from adults and abuse are intentionally made to make the person fell awkward or abused.

I highly doubt these kids knew she would commit suicide

THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY
IF that girl wouldnt have committed suicide do you think they deserved to have criminal charges?

If no then my point been proven...
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Just to clear things up I am not in anyway not calm. I am at times direct and no matter how hard I try I am almost never as delicate in my wording as I would like to be so if I appeared to be not calm then I apologize to you.

Second do you really believe that kids who bully are not intentionally trying to make a person feel awkward and abused? It is true that the kids propbably never thought she would do something like this. But people need to remember you cannot control what someone else does, you can only control what you yourself project and put out into the world. Their behavior was criminal regardless of how she responded. You said they should not face charges for what they did, but what they did was break the law so essentially you said they should be exempt from following the law. If you would like to elaborate regarding your point I would be happy to hear it, but I cannot see how you can say don't punish them for behaviors that are criminal, and also say that you never said that they should be exempt from following the law. Do they have to follow the law and accept the consequences or should they be exempt?

Third my answer is YES they should still face charges even if she had not committed suicide. Sadly I think the most tragic part of all of this is that nobody was willing to help her when she was alive, if she were alive she would still right now be getting tortured by her classmates.
 
heres my take if she was still alive today the harasment would go on if she hadnt told earlier what makes you think she would tell now.i think the kids should not be charged what charge do you think they should have what do you think would happen to them?? go to jail what?

MY NEXT QUESTION treat the Bullyies as if they were your kids what would you do?
 
Look bullying is something I have very strong opinions about. I think the people that bully are sick, the ones that defend it are sick and the ones that stand by the wayside and watch are sick. Wade is so right. It is aweful.
 
Look at the charges. They include statutory rape. Still think they shouldn't be charged, child?


And if I caught my kid bullying? There would be hell to pay in many different forms. They would be grounded, forbidden TV/Computer/Radio unless I am right there with them, I would attend school with them and I'm sure my mother would be willing to shadow the kid around all day too. Imagine *that* embarrassment factor. "Yes, I'm their grandmother and I'm here because they were being a meanie butt." Chores would increase and I'd probably make the kid do a huge essay on morality, ethics and how to behave like an adult.
 
BrandNew said:
heres my take if she was still alive today the harasment would go on if she hadnt told earlier what makes you think she would tell now.i think the kids should not be charged what charge do you think they should have what do you think would happen to them?? go to jail what?
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Considering a lot of states are adopting anti-bullying laws, they should be charged with that. Or any other charge that fits! A child, any child has the right to go to school to learn, not be bullied and live in peace. The bullied child is the victim! The perpetrators should be dealt with accordingly!

MY NEXT QUESTION treat the Bullyies as if they were your kids what would you do?
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My kids wouldn't see daylight if they behaved like that! No TV, internet, phone, i-pod, etc. It would be lock down! I will not tolerate my children acting in such a manner. I don't do it, nor would I allow it.

I guess it all comes down to how you were raised. Respect should be given before it's expected!

Wayne
 
Ok to all in NOOO way am i saying bullying is right.
Dose it happen Yes.
Should it happen NO.
It builds a little character but its wronge.
And i can bet that all of you have said something mean to some one one time in your life.
And i cant bet that girl proably didnt sit by and not say anything back.
What happend was wronge. IMHO it happens and IMHO i dont think they should be charged with criminal charges i bully people and i would never think im a criminal when i do it.
 
medusacoils said:
Considering a lot of states are adopting anti-bullying laws, they should be charged with that. Or any other charge that fits! A child, any child has the right to go to school to learn, not be bullied and live in peace. The bullied child is the victim! The perpetrators should be dealt with accordingly!



My kids wouldn't see daylight if they behaved like that! No TV, internet, phone, i-pod, etc. It would be lock down! I will not tolerate my children acting in such a manner. I don't do it, nor would I allow it.

I guess it all comes down to how you were raised. Respect should be given before it's expected!

Wayne
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Actualy even though it may not seem like it. Im actuly a very well manered kids i respect adults and try not give people a hard time. IM HONESTLY SORRY if i seem disrepectful in anyway..sorry
 
BrandNew said:
i bully people and i would never think im a criminal when i do it.
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And this is where you'd be wrong. By bullying, you are causing people emotional pain, tormenting them, because it makes *you* feel good. That is wrong, cruel, and a sign of either extreme arrogance, insecurity, callousness or a mix of all three.
 
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