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Nine teens charged with bullying in teen's suicide

You know I forgot that BrandNew is actually a guy... Oops, but that makes your opinions about not killing yourself over this even less substantial. You aren't a girl, you have no idea what it's like to be a girl. I've never been raped, nor do I ever want the experience, but I can imagine that it's a horrible experience, and that it could affect me very deeply, emotionally. It could be enough to make me want to harm myself, I don't know, I've never been in that situation. Please stop trying to say that this girl overreacted by killing herself, she was most likely in an emotionally fragile state, and no one was doing anything to help her. Some people feel that suicide is their only option when they can't get away from the things that are hurting them.
 
ok well 1stly i was asked what i would do i gave my answer...

Also the biggest guy in school is no bigger then me so theres no problem in that (im not trying to brag) im just saying im not small i havnt been seriously bullied (my lifes not perfect) i guesse i cant fit in her shoes.

No. You can't fit in her shoes, so stop saying that if you were in her place you wouldn't have killed yourself.
 
You know I forgot that BrandNew is actually a guy... Oops, but that makes your opinions about not killing yourself over this even less substantial. You aren't a girl, you have no idea what it's like to be a girl. I've never been raped, nor do I ever want the experience, but I can imagine that it's a horrible experience, and that it could affect me very deeply, emotionally. It could be enough to make me want to harm myself, I don't know, I've never been in that situation. Please stop trying to say that this girl overreacted by killing herself, she was most likely in an emotionally fragile state, and no one was doing anything to help her. Some people feel that suicide is their only option when they can't get away from the things that are hurting them.

When did i say anything about her overreacting and killing her self?
I said theres something deeper then just bullying witch may have triggered her to kill her self.... nothing about overreacting.. I said i wouldnt kill my self but im not her..
 
No. You can't fit in her shoes, so stop saying that if you were in her place you wouldn't have killed yourself.

I ONLY SAID IT ONCE.... and i was asked a question so i replied and they said what would you do and i said well i wouldnt blah blah blah so please stop accusing me of false acusations..
 
When did i say anything about her overreacting and killing her self?
I said theres something deeper then just bullying witch may have triggered her to kill her self.... nothing about overreacting.. I said i wouldnt kill my self but im not her..

There was something deeper, she was stalked and raped. You could at least know the story before you chime in with your opinion.
 
CJ VIEW: Ok heres how i see it bullying can cause alot of things but it wont cause suicide.

Your posts on this subject sicken me. You clearly have a very limited understanding of the range of peoples' personalities and tolerances, and a very limited understanding of the human mind in general, outside of your own.

I just finished a book called The Highly Sensitive person...it discusses the approximately 20% of the population of this earth that has a much more reactive nervous system than the rest. This trait has advantages such as high intuitiveness, better attention to detail, and a more acute awareness of people and situations around you. It also has disadvantages, such as being FAR more easily overstimulated than the average person. I can say for certain that situations which are "no big deal" to the average person can send me into a frenzy if I don't have a way to escape.

If a person who is easily overstimulated has to deal with this kind of garbage day in and day out with no respite and no help from those around them, I can easily see suicide looking like the best way out. Heck, at times when I felt like I had nobody to go to I've thought it, and it wasn't until the last few years that those thoughts vanished entirely.

What safe harbor did she have? If school officials didn't care, her parents did nothing, her entire life was consumed with the dread of having to return to the place where everything was happening day after day. How easy it would be to feel like nobody cared, nobody would take a stand and protect her, If she couldn't go to her parents WHAT WAS THE ALTERNATIVE FOR HER!? Maybe she had other things going on in her life, or maybe she just couldn't see another escape.

How can you say something like "Bullying doesn't cause suicide" if you've never been the victim of bullying you couldn't escape?! How would you know?! You don't.
 
Your posts on this subject sicken me. You clearly have a very limited understanding of the range of peoples' personalities and tolerances, and a very limited understanding of the human mind in general, outside of your own.

I just finished a book called The Highly Sensitive person...it discusses the approximately 20% of the population of this earth that has a much more reactive nervous system than the rest. This trait has advantages such as high intuitiveness, better attention to detail, and a more acute awareness of people and situations around you. It also has disadvantages, such as being FAR more easily overstimulated than the average person. I can say for certain that situations which are "no big deal" to the average person can send me into a frenzy if I don't have a way to escape.

If a person who is easily overstimulated has to deal with this kind of garbage day in and day out with no respite and no help from those around them, I can easily see suicide looking like the best way out. Heck, at times when I felt like I had nobody to go to I've thought it, and it wasn't until the last few years that those thoughts vanished entirely.

What safe harbor did she have? If school officials didn't care, her parents did nothing, her entire life was consumed with the dread of having to return to the place where everything was happening day after day. How easy it would be to feel like nobody cared, nobody would take a stand and protect her, If she couldn't go to her parents WHAT WAS THE ALTERNATIVE FOR HER!? Maybe she had other things going on in her life, or maybe she just couldn't see another escape.

How can you say something like "Bullying doesn't cause suicide" if you've never been the victim of bullying you couldn't escape?! How would you know?! You don't.

OK OK IM SORRY this is why i didnt wanna have this conversation im just gonna get flamed... i understand this subject is way more personaly to all of you then it is to me and im sorry...
 
Didn't the article also say that she had recently moved here from Ireland? I can see where that makes it even more difficult for her, because she probably felt a lot more pressure to fit into the culture, on top of just fitting in at school. So the idea of being abused and bullied might have just seemed typical to her living here, and the only escape that she saw was suicide.
 
This is the girl who jumped off the school building...?

Ok well im 14 and i make fun of alot of people ( sounds so bad) even my friends and mostly we just joke around and i know alot of kids who make fun of people alot so when we make fun are intentions arn't really meant to hurt your fellings its more we just do it idk why for her to kill herself over it i bet theres was more then just getting made fun of she had friends so i think its deeper then bullying...

You are a bully, that is why you defend it.

CJ VIEW: Ok heres how i see it bullying can cause alot of things but it wont cause suicide.
If she was get teased to the point where she commits suicide i can 100% bet that she had been home crying and if it was really that bad i would have told my parents *im 14*.

2ndly how many of you could really commit suicide you have to be pushed to think break and TRUST ME theres things you can say to hurt people fellings but theres not that much... I've Bullied people i was grounded 4days ago cause a girl cried to her mom saying i called her B**** and a Wh*** and told mine its spring break and i was just hanging with here so when kids tease other kids know ive told kids to kill them self's and im not gonna get into this cause im a get FLAMED!

Also no kid should have criminal charges for some one eles killing them selves parents ignored the signs. I have a friend who brought in facebook post from someone who had been bullying her.. So its quite easy.. Shes very pretty i doubt she had no friends to back her up theres more to this then we know and the parents know not just bullying.

Girls cry when you call them bad names. Did you expect not to get in trouble?

People who RAPE, HARASS, and STALK people can have criminal charges pressed against them, even if the person that they raped, stalked, and harassed didn't kill themselves because of it.

OK WELL firstly calm down....

Secondly i never said they should be exempt from the law.

Ok harassment from adults and abuse are intentionally made to make the person fell awkward or abused.

I highly doubt these kids knew she would commit suicide

THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY
IF that girl wouldnt have committed suicide do you think they deserved to have criminal charges?

If no then my point been proven...

Rape, stalking, and harassment are all illegal and people can press charges against you.

Wayne like i said my mom in the end punished me so just like your defensive about your kid so are other parents

LIKE I SAID Exspulsion Suspension Detention dosnt fix the proably if my give the child punishment but its no gonna stop them

IF you were being bullied to the point where it made you wanna kill you self dose it make sense to repeat the samething over just to see how they are make fun of you. ITS like the defention of instanity...

If i wanted to go to a dance or party i wouldnt be going by my self there for i wouldnt worry all that much on bullying cause i have supportfull friends and

AND nine boys trying to make fun of me im shur there'd be a mosh pit CAUSE I DONT TAKE * from nobody (atleast not till next year in highschool then im *

Have you ever had a stalker? Do you know what a stalker is?
stalk
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–verb (used without object)
1.
to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.
2.
to walk with measured, stiff, or haughty strides: He was so angry he stalked away without saying goodbye.
3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner: Famine stalked through the nation.
4.
Obsolete. to walk or go stealthily along.
–verb (used with object)
5.
to pursue (game, a person, etc.) stealthily.
6.
to proceed through (an area) in search of prey or quarry: to stalk the woods for game.
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to proceed or spread through in a steady or sinister manner: Disease stalked the land.
–noun
8.
an act or course of stalking quarry, prey, or the like: We shot the mountain goat after a five-hour stalk.
9.
a slow, stiff stride or gait.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stalker

Stalkers follow and harass people who do not want to be followed and harassed. She wasn't asking for it.

Why should a bar tender be charged for a Drinkers who drives stupidty if they offer you money in Va i dont think theres a law where you can tell them no.. So yea.. i still dont agree with you

Bartenders are not supposed to serve the obviously intoxicated.

heres my take if she was still alive today the harasment would go on if she hadnt told earlier what makes you think she would tell now.i think the kids should not be charged what charge do you think they should have what do you think would happen to them?? go to jail what?

MY NEXT QUESTION treat the Bullyies as if they were your kids what would you do?

She did tell adults. Please read the articles. The 18 year old who raped her would be charged as an adult and the others would be charged as juveniles. I'm sure the parent of a bully would punish their child.

Ok to all in NOOO way am i saying bullying is right.
Dose it happen Yes.
Should it happen NO.
It builds a little character but its wronge.
And i can bet that all of you have said something mean to some one one time in your life.
And i cant bet that girl proably didnt sit by and not say anything back.
What happend was wronge. IMHO it happens and IMHO i dont think they should be charged with criminal charges i bully people and i would never think im a criminal when i do it.

You are a bully. You said yourself that you tease people. It doesn't build character, it hurts people emotionally. Some people will hang onto the things that bullies say to them for the rest of their lives. Think about that next time you want to make fun of someone. People who rape, harass, and stalk people can have charges pressed against them. If you are bullying someone to the extent that they feel threatened by you, they can take out a restraining order against you.

Actualy even though it may not seem like it. Im actuly a very well manered kids i respect adults and try not give people a hard time. IM HONESTLY SORRY if i seem disrepectful in anyway..sorry

Really? :roflmao:

If or when i bully someone i dont think it makes me fell good. To tell you the truth when you bully someone you dont know why you do it you just do..
but if it dose make you fell good then i would count that as being sick..

Defender of the bullies, how noble.

Yea i can i just did...

also i know for shur i wouldnt. i have been teased before its not like i havnt been

also the fear of committing suicide is to great so thats the other reason.

I thought you were the biggest kid in school, why would others be teasing you? Isn't everyone afraid of you?

Im a guy so if i was pregnant that be hilarious/creepy.
2ndly i have compasion for people.
you guys are taking this way to personally i understand its WRONGE OK.
idk what its like cause it hasnt happened to me.
ok ok i get it i get it im sorry for having a opinion i guess from now on ill just make shur what ever i hear that happens thats bad i'll experience it first. ok? that make you guys happy?

But you said if it happened to you, you wouldn't kill yourself.... I'm so confused!

When did i say anything about her overreacting and killing her self?
I said theres something deeper then just bullying witch may have triggered her to kill her self.... nothing about overreacting.. I said i wouldnt kill my self but im not her..

You don't think that bullying was enough of a reason to kill herself.

I ONLY SAID IT ONCE.... and i was asked a question so i replied and they said what would you do and i said well i wouldnt blah blah blah so please stop accusing me of false acusations..

:roflmao:

Im not trying to be fun. but in all seriousness was that video fake? it just seemed kinda mean and fake and the ending seemed fake..

:roflmao:

OK OK IM SORRY this is why i didnt wanna have this conversation im just gonna get flamed... i understand this subject is way more personaly to all of you then it is to me and im sorry...

Why don't you just stop posting? Unless you like the negative attention...



In the end, you are a 14-year old boy. You are a bully to your peers, and you shouldn't have said most of the things you said here. And to think that I had defended you when people were picking on your punctuation. :nope:

Ridiculously long post, sorry, I felt the need to use the quote function. :poke:
 
You are a bully, that is why you defend it.



Girls cry when you call them bad names. Did you expect not to get in trouble?

People who RAPE, HARASS, and STALK people can have criminal charges pressed against them, even if the person that they raped, stalked, and harassed didn't kill themselves because of it.



Rape, stalking, and harassment are all illegal and people can press charges against you.



Have you ever had a stalker? Do you know what a stalker is?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stalker

Stalkers follow and harass people who do not want to be followed and harassed. She wasn't asking for it.



Bartenders are not supposed to serve the obviously intoxicated.



She did tell adults. Please read the articles. The 18 year old who raped her would be charged as an adult and the others would be charged as juveniles. I'm sure the parent of a bully would punish their child.



You are a bully. You said yourself that you tease people. It doesn't build character, it hurts people emotionally. Some people will hang onto the things that bullies say to them for the rest of their lives. Think about that next time you want to make fun of someone. People who rape, harass, and stalk people can have charges pressed against them. If you are bullying someone to the extent that they feel threatened by you, they can take out a restraining order against you.



Really? :roflmao:



Defender of the bullies, how noble.



I thought you were the biggest kid in school, why would others be teasing you? Isn't everyone afraid of you?



But you said if it happened to you, you wouldn't kill yourself.... I'm so confused!



You don't think that bullying was enough of a reason to kill herself.



:roflmao:



:roflmao:



Why don't you just stop posting? Unless you like the negative attention...



In the end, you are a 14-year old boy. You are a bully to your peers, and you shouldn't have said most of the things you said here. And to think that I had defended you when people were picking on your punctuation. :nope:

Ridiculously long post, sorry, I felt the need to use the quote function. :poke:

Ok like i said i was wronge i am in no deffending bullying i was being sarcastic everytime i brought up bullying i said it was wronge you are taking this personaly and im sorry this is an emotionall topic for you im done...
 
OK OK IM SORRY this is why i didnt wanna have this conversation im just gonna get flamed... i understand this subject is way more personaly to all of you then it is to me and im sorry...

In the long run, as long as you learned something from all this then no hard feelings.

A lot of us are older than you, have been around a while and know someone who has decided to end their life. No one chooses it over a second option; there is no "well, I could talk to someone and work through this or kill myself, I think I'll do the latter". No one knows what's going on until it's too late, no one thinks their loved one is thinking about this and does nothing to help. Please understand saying "I would have done this" or "they should have done this" is painful to read.
 
Boy for someone who didn't read the article you seem to have a lot of advise

Are you being snide? I didn't have time this morning to read the entire article, but I don't have to in order to know from personal experience what bullying can do and what parents can do to help their children deal with the cruelty being inflicted upon them. I talked to my mother about how I felt and she helped me. She was very concerned that I might commit suicide and to be honest, the thought never crossed my mind. Why should I give up my life when its other people who the problem?

I also remember the number of suicides that occured while I was in school. When I was in elementary school, there was a fourth grader who used his belt to hang himself on the playground equipment. In high school a senior committed suicide, and he was the class president, the most popular guy in school. The next year a friend of mine killed himself, then another girl in my grade killed herself later that school year. The following year, another senior kiilled himself at my school. For several more years, the Denver area had a terrible number of teen suicides. It isn't only bullying that leads to suicide and it takes an effort to get kids to understand its a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

I'm a little passionate and emotional when it comes to this subject, so if I took your comment wrong, I'm sorry. If I was right and you were being sarcastic, then up yours.
 
...However I do not agree at all with tyflier (sorry nothing personal - and this is just an opinion so take it only as that) I do not think it is ok for kids to be mean. I don't care what kids might try to get away with. It is IMPORTANT that their parents, teachers and society in general do not just brush this off. Being mean is not ok and should not be considered acceptable behavior. Adults, especially parents and teachers should be models of appropriate behavior. And they do have a responsibility to address these kinds of issues. ...
As a point of clarification I NEVER said it was "ok" for kids to be mean, nor did I even remotely imply that it was "acceptable. I merely stated that it is a fact, and quite simply...it is a fact of growing up.

The reality is, as far as I can see from the articles, that this young lady did not have the confidence, self-esteem, or mental capabilities to deal with emotional turmoil and peer torment. Whether through a lack of parenting, a lack of education, or a serious and debilitating mental deficiency, this poor child could not cope with her day-to-day existence.

The fact that this serious and life-threatening emotional shortcoming was not seen, diagnosed, and dealt with long before this happened speaks more harshly to the failings of the educational system and her parents, than of the bullies. I'm not laying blame on the school OR the parents, because sometimes there just isn't anything you can do to help a child in pain. But it seems to me that a psychological evaluation should have been undertaken long before any personal violence was done.

If the teachers and the parents didn't see the pain, whether told about the problems or not, than they are not looking at the child in most cases of teen suicide. The vast majority of teen and adolescant suicides are preceeded by a long history of emotional turmoil and usually some form of self-mutilation long before any permanent harm is caused.

Most of the time, the "final straw" is not the cause of the suicide, it's merely the excuse. Most of the time, these kids that DO go so far as to kill themselves, would likely have done so regardless of what the final straw was, whether it be a group of kids teasing or a failed relationship, the death of a pet or celebrity, or sometimes even a strict punishment.

And this is why I don't think the kids involved should be charged with a crime unless there is reasonable evidence to suggest that this went much further than the standard "schoolyard bullying". I'm not saying the kids didn't do anything wrong, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be any repercussions.

But if there was no actual, physical abuse, and this "tormenting" was nothing more than typical schoolyard bullying, why should these children be given criminal records because this young lady did not have the mental facilities to deal with a tough adolescence?:shrugs:

I was bullied daily starting in kindergarten and ending when I stopped being afraid and started fighting back. I was spit on, beaten up, tormented verbally incessantly by students and faculty, and teachers would sit idly by while I was physically assaulted at school on multiple occasions.

I had two choices...kill myself or fight back. So I fought back. And I spent the majority of my sophmore and junior years fighting...everyday with someone, sometimes with some-two or three. I got in trouble when I won, and I went to the hospital when I lost. But by my senior year...I wasn't messed with, and there were very few that desired to give it a try. I got tough mentally and physically. And this was FAR beyond "typical schoolyard bullying".

The point is that there are much more important responsibilities here than that of children being children. The school has a definite responsibility to protect the students. The parents of this young girl had the responsibility of providing their child with the emotional means to survive the harsh and cruel world we live in, whether through proper parenting and confidence building or through mental and psychological help.

Yes...the parents of the bullies are responsible for raising their kids right. Yes, the bullies are responsible for "playing nice". But they are not nearly as responsible, in my opinion, as the adults that failed this child in protecting her and teaching her how to protect herself.

Billions of kids every year are abused verbally and, sadly, physically on school grounds. It's not right and it's not acceptable...but it is reality. 99% of those kids toughen up physically and mentally, and learn how to stand up for themselves and their loved ones, and go on to become productive members of society. Very few hurt themselves or others permanently because of it. That *should* indicate something much more dangerous than verbal taunts and insults as the root of the problem in those cases... At least it does to me...
 
I just want to clarify, since I just saw what the charges are...

If these charges are accurate, and these "bullies" did those sorts of things, they have crossed the line from "childhood bullies" to "criminals" and by all means deserve full punishment and legal ramifications for their actions.

Just needed to say that...
 
If you read this story, it has been discovered that some teachers and administrators where aware of what was going on with this little girl. Little was done to handle it or what was done was inconsistent from administrator to administrator. There were rules and guidelines adopted by the school, but they weren't followed.

On the radio station I listen to in the morning, this subject was brought up and the fact that some school administrators weren't being charged in this matter. Even though rules and guidelines were in place, but not followed. What do you think of this?

Wayne

What would you charge them with? What would you suggest they do??

Before you condemn any adult that spends time each day in a school building, please, PLEASE go and spend a day at your local high school. You will be shocked, apalled, offended and horrified by what you see there.

Teenagers (I use this term loosely to reference many of those that I work with every day, but NOT all of them- some are mature, decent human beings and I hesitate to call them teenagers and group them with others just because they share the same age) are nasty human beings-- to themselves, their peers, and the adults in their life. Many of them are downright horrible to be around. If I wrote up every single student who consistently said nasty things to others in the class, or myself, I'd spend my entire day writing office referrals.

There's no clear policy standards with regards to harassment that is ongoing in the community. I had one situation this year with a student who got the crap beat out of her by another girl. The school expelled that girl, but, according to the students mother (who brought this up when I called to speak with her about the students complete lack of effort in my class) the harassment was continuing on MySpace and Facebook. What do I do?

I went and spoke with the school resource officer who said that currently, legal policy is that there's nothing that can be done about such harassment, because the student being harassed doesn't HAVE to be on MySpace. If it's not happening in the flesh, at school, there's little they can do.

If it DOES happen at school, the school is forced to slowly and painstakingly build a case to bring the student to expulsion. Parents of students who are on the bring of expulsion hire defense attorneys to represent them and challenge even the most meticulous of cases that the school has built. And even when they are expelled, they still have a right to go to school. So they get moved to the night school that I also teach at.

Imagine the unparalleled wonder of night school- 20 students in a classroom, all of whom have been expelled from their day schools for things like drug use or distribution, excessive violence & fighting, or generally being a nasty human being. What a joy it is to be me and my coworkers on Tuesdays and Thursdays. What a joy it is for my spouse to have to deal with my mood when I come home from that place or just a bad day at day school.

The General Public wants teachers and administrators to do more and more with these kids and to be held responsible when they finally "cross the line," without ever stopping to consider the only people who can and should be held responsible for what these kids do... the kids themselves and their useless, wasted parents.
 
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