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gob144

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I think i found the same snake for a second time. I think this is the guy i found on the golf course that i set free. He must be living in my yard now.

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Those tiny green guys are so pretty! I wonder if they're bred in captivity, and how easy they are to care for?

I have a thing about green snakes, but I don't own a one of them! LOL!
 
Irish Eyes (Mrs.Z) said:
Those tiny green guys are so pretty! I wonder if they're bred in captivity, and how easy they are to care for?

I have a thing about green snakes, but I don't own a one of them! LOL!
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I believe rough green snakes are bred and traded. I've heard mixed things about how easy they are to care for; a book that said they are very hands off pets, and a friend who had one that was as friendly as any snake can be.

And easier to feed, as they eat crickets.
 
All I know is that thoes snakes are captive bred. And that I was going to get one untill I found out about corn snakes. The cornsakes so much better. :D
I love how these guys look though. Their green is off ths scale! Nice find!
 
What are the names of the breeders producing Green Snakes?

There are none. What happens is that people catch gravid adults and when they lay eggs and the eggs hatch they sell the offspring. This is not the same thing as "captive bred," which indicates the adults bred in captivity.

Smooth Green Snakes (like the one in the photo above) are nearly impossible to keep alive in captivity - no one is breeding them.

While Green Snakes eat crickets, it is unlikely that this represents a balanced diet - in the wild they eat spiders, caterpillars, etc.

In his book "Snakes of the United States and Canada: Keeping Them Healthy in Captivity," Dr. John Rossi rates the Smooth Green Snake at 5 (on a scale of 1-5, with 5 being the most difficult to keep) and the Rough Green Snake at 4.

A Rough Green Snake that I found in Kentucky:

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I wanted to keep him but while i was researching i found out they were impossible to keep so i let him go.
During my research though i found out something cool. It said that its rare but does happen. These snakes, when threatened, will dart away then poke there head strait up and sway so they can be mistaken for a piece of grass. Don't know if its true but if it is that pretty neat.
 
tspuckler said:
What are the names of the breeders producing Green Snakes?

There are none. What happens is that people catch gravid adults and when they lay eggs and the eggs hatch they sell the offspring. This is not the same thing as "captive bred," which indicates the adults bred in captivity.
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Well then thank you for the update. I figured they were captive bred because I saw so many care sheets about them I figured someone must be breeding these snakes. But apperantly not.
 
Just my $.02 - a Rough Green Snake was the first snake I got when I went off to college. I didn't know anything about them but found him at a local pet store. I fell in love with his green and yellow cuteness. I did everything the pet store told me to do, but he only lasted a few months. Not really sure why he died. He seemed to be eating and moving normally.

After that I got a couple of corns :) They were MUCH easier to care for and lived for many years (at least the male did. The female has an aggressive biter and I gave her back to the breeder ~LOL~ At the time I was not prepared to deal with a bitey snake).

I like to look at the green snakes from afar, but I wouldn't keep one as a pet anymore.
 
Irish Eyes (Mrs.Z) said:
Well, then, I wish they lived here, and were common in the wild. They are so pretty! I'd love to see one in person.
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Heh-- if you were in Seattle, I could show you a Chinese green snake, who looks a LOT like a bigger version if the smooth green snake! I STUPIDLY fell in love with him at a show, and bought him without doing any research. Come to find out, no one knows how to take care of them, and they're basically being ripped from the wild and brought here to die. Which, given how awesome and lovely Prize is, enrages me. So he has an insanely complicated setup that gets worse and worse with every new tip I uncover, and he's been with me for two months or so, eating fewer nightcrawlers than I wish he would. Prize is an experiment, and I adore him. If you're ever up here, you can stop by and meet him, assuming I manage to keep him healthy!

Green snakes are absolutely gorgeous. There's something so Platonic Ideal Of Snake about them. Don't get one. I shouldn't have. But they really are stunning.
 
wretchedprocess said:
Heh-- if you were in Seattle, I could show you a Chinese green snake, who looks a LOT like a bigger version if the smooth green snake! I STUPIDLY fell in love with him at a show, and bought him without doing any research. Come to find out, no one knows how to take care of them, and they're basically being ripped from the wild and brought here to die. Which, given how awesome and lovely Prize is, enrages me. So he has an insanely complicated setup that gets worse and worse with every new tip I uncover, and he's been with me for two months or so, eating fewer nightcrawlers than I wish he would. Prize is an experiment, and I adore him. If you're ever up here, you can stop by and meet him, assuming I manage to keep him healthy!

Green snakes are absolutely gorgeous. There's something so Platonic Ideal Of Snake about them. Don't get one. I shouldn't have. But they really are stunning.
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you Dont have a pic of him?
 
I have a few, but not very good ones. My photographer friend plans to do a real shoot with him soon, but we haven't gotten to it yet.

Disgruntled Prize after being tubed dewormer at the vet's office:
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My husband holding him right before we bought him:
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He's grown a bit since then, I think, and these pictures can't get across how beautiful he really is. I will share them when I get some better ones taken.
 
wretchedprocess said:
Heh-- if you were in Seattle, I could show you a Chinese green snake, who looks a LOT like a bigger version if the smooth green snake! I STUPIDLY fell in love with him at a show, and bought him without doing any research. Come to find out, no one knows how to take care of them, and they're basically being ripped from the wild and brought here to die. Which, given how awesome and lovely Prize is, enrages me. So he has an insanely complicated setup that gets worse and worse with every new tip I uncover, and he's been with me for two months or so, eating fewer nightcrawlers than I wish he would. Prize is an experiment, and I adore him. If you're ever up here, you can stop by and meet him, assuming I manage to keep him healthy!

Green snakes are absolutely gorgeous. There's something so Platonic Ideal Of Snake about them. Don't get one. I shouldn't have. But they really are stunning.
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We go to Seattle 2 or 3 x/yr, so perhaps I'll take you up on your offer :).

Your snake is a real beauty! I hope you are able to help him thrive in captivity, and that he lives a long, healthy life with you.
 
I really wish i could have one it sucks there so much work. what is your setup like to try and keep him half happy.
 
Heh-- well, he's largely arboreal, so I took the shelves and hooks out of a china cabinet to try to provide some height for him, and built him a "tree" out of dowel rods and fake vines. I cut a hole in the back and put in a fan for ventillation, and cut holes for air to flow out as well. I covered all the holes with plastic with holes melted in and made quite smooth, because these guys are TERRIBLE about nose-rubbing-- if there's any screen available in the cage, they'll cheese-grater their poor little noses on it trying to find a way out. I also put in 3 LED light pucks on a timer, since he's diurnal and needs a good day/night cycle. It had to be LEDs because they don't produce too much heat, and these guys, being climbers, will wrap themselves around anything and everything. There's also no risk of electric shock with these light pucks.

He has to have high humidity (80% or so is recommended), so not only did I have to seal the living et cetera out of the inside of the cabinet and put plastic in the bottom, but he has coconut substrate and clumps of moss that get misted regularly. I also recently learned that some article in Polish which my vet found and had translated said they were semi-aquatic as well, so he's just gotten a swimming pool of sorts put in. This helps with the humidity, a lot.

He eats nightcrawlers, but doesn't love them, so I'm trying to figure out something he'll find more appealing. Trying to find some waxworms to try to add those, and we just bought a few guppies today, to fatten them up and see if he likes them. I don't hear anything promising about anything as simple as crickets, alas. I'm going to have to figure out how to breed nightcrawlers in my apartment kitchen, too.

And I think that about covers what I've done with my $25.00 snake so far. Needless to say, this is a little more work (and research!) than most impulse-buyers would be up for. Which is why I sizzle with rage even thinking about the situation for any of these little guys who reach our shores. If I'm not even sure I'm able to provide for Prize, what about all the others?

I love the poor thing so much I wish I'd never met him. I wish he could have lived his life out in the forests of Taiwan, and this had never happened to him. I'm doing my best. But I wish for his sake that I could take him home.
 
I am not sure if this will cross over for Prize but here is some information on feeding fish to Garters and the health concerns with certain types.

"You have to be careful of the thiaminase content which can cause vitamin B deficiencies and eventually problems leading to death. If you want to feed live feeder fish, stick to guppies. Goldfish, rosy reds and other minnows are not good."

This was given to me by a breeder of Garter snakes, as we have two of his garter babies.
 
They are such beautiful snakes! I wish I had one. Is it that they don't do well in captivity because of space requirements? I'd guess most try a 'medium-sized' arboreal setup, maybe 3 x 4 x 6. Has anyone tried a very large habitat like 6 x 8? I'm thinking if it's possibly the stress of being confined, then given a large enough viv, it wouldn't know it was captive.
 
Asbit said:
I am not sure if this will cross over for Prize but here is some information on feeding fish to Garters and the health concerns with certain types.

"You have to be careful of the thiaminase content which can cause vitamin B deficiencies and eventually problems leading to death. If you want to feed live feeder fish, stick to guppies. Goldfish, rosy reds and other minnows are not good."

This was given to me by a breeder of Garter snakes, as we have two of his garter babies.
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That's VERY helpful! Thank you! Fortunately, when we bought a few feeder fish to try, we did get guppies. Right now they're microscopic, so I'm feeding them up enough that he can see them before we try. I bet the caution does cross over, and even if it doesn't, better safe than sorry!
 
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