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What do I have to breed this to in order to get...

SnakeLady1990

SnakeLady1990

~Miss Christina~
I have a male amel motley corn snake at 4 years old.

What can I breed him too without having to raise the babies and breed them back together to get a different color morph result?

My first idea was to breed him to a caramel to get butters...but then I was told that the babies would be 'normals het amel/caramel' (not butters) then I would have to raise them and breed them back together to get the butters.

Is there anything you can breed an amel to where you don't have to breed the babies back together for results?

Also, what can you breed a snow too?
 
Unless he has hidden hets he will only have amels and normals depending on what you mate him with. I suggest you find a female with lots of hets and cross your fingers you get lucky. You never know. :)
 
SnakeLady1990 said:
I have a male amel motley corn snake at 4 years old.

What can I breed him too without having to raise the babies and breed them back together to get a different color morph result?

My first idea was to breed him to a caramel to get butters...but then I was told that the babies would be 'normals het amel/caramel' (not butters) then I would have to raise them and breed them back together to get the butters.

Is there anything you can breed an amel to where you don't have to breed the babies back together for results?

Also, what can you breed a snow too?
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If the amel motley does not have any hets, then the only possible outcomes for any pairing (depending on what you pair it with) are normals, amels, motleys, and amel motleys. You can only get in the offspring what is already present in both parents (either visible, or het)

However, there is ultra which is on the amel locus and you can get somewhat different results with this than you would with regular morphs.

If you breed your amel motley to an ultra motley you will get 100% ultramel motleys.
If you breed your amel motley to an ultramel motley you will get 50% ultramel motley and 50% amel motley.
If you breed your amel motley to an ultramel het motley you will get 25% ultramel het motley, 25% amel het motley, 25% ultramel motley, and 25% amel motley
etc...

Ditto with the snow, if the snow is not het for anything then the only possible outcomes with any pairing (depending on what you pair it with) will be normals, amels, anerys, and snows (except for the earlier ultra/ultramel exception on the amel locus)

However, if you don't know any of the genetic background on your amel motley it is possible that it could have some hidden het's that you don't know about. A common hidden het is anery. You could test breed your amel motley to see if it is het anery. To do this you could try, just one example, a pairing with a snow motley. If your amel motley is not het anery you will get 100% amel motleys het for anery. If your amel motley is het anery you will get some amel motleys and some snow motleys. You could do the same and test it with any other morph you want to see if it has any hidden hets.

This is an ultramel, if you are interested, fairly similar to an amel. http://iansvivarium.com/morphguide/ultramel/
 
Ack! It makes me sad when someone says that normals can be produced from a pairing of an amel to a snow corn. Since only one strain of albino is known in corn snakes, it should be IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen. The results of pairing an amel motley to a snow, barring any unknown hets, should be all amels het for anery and motley.
 
fyrefocks said:
Ack! It makes me sad when someone says that normals can be produced from a pairing of an amel to a snow corn. Since only one strain of albino is known in corn snakes, it should be IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen. The results of pairing an amel motley to a snow, barring any unknown hets, should be all amels het for anery and motley.
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...Did I miss someone saying that? I don't think anyone did...
 
Why not just purchase a butter and be done with it? LOL!

I know, I know--the joy of breeding your own. But still, if you don't want to go through what it takes (like me--I don't breed), isn't it a valid option to simply purchase what you want from someone who has it for sale?
 
fyrefocks said:
Ack! It makes me sad when someone says that normals can be produced from a pairing of an amel to a snow corn. Since only one strain of albino is known in corn snakes, it should be IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen. The results of pairing an amel motley to a snow, barring any unknown hets, should be all amels het for anery and motley.
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wretchedprocess said:
...Did I miss someone saying that? I don't think anyone did...
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I must have missed it to, as I don't see anyone saying that either.

The first post wasn't referencing what they would get when breeding their amel motley to their snow...it first asked what they could breed their amel motley to and what they could get. Then also asked what they could breed their snow to and what they would get.

Jenstar's first post was only referencing the amel and what it could be bred with, and was not looking at an amel x snow pairing.
 
ZoologyGirl said:
I must have missed it to, as I don't see anyone saying that either.

The first post wasn't referencing what they would get when breeding their amel motley to their snow...it first asked what they could breed their amel motley to and what they could get. Then also asked what they could breed their snow to and what they would get.

Jenstar's first post was only referencing the amel and what it could be bred with, and was not looking at an amel x snow pairing.
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Yeah, im seeing now that i read your first post wrong. My sincerest apologies.
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