Am i to young to get a pistol?

[Nitelion94]

What i mean when i say a bunch of peoples crap is i understand alot of it and im not mad at it all. But comeon are you really gona tell me i cant own a gun cuz the way i type!!!! thats the biggest load of crap ive ever heard

 

[Nitelion94]

ive read over most of the comments and im not at all mad about most of it. i get that most people think 16 is way to young and i think classes would be alot of fun. i liked alot of the answers alot its just when people start spazing saying i cant have a gun because of the way i type.

 

[tyflier]

ive read over most of the comments and im not at all mad about most of it. i get that most people think 16 is way to young and i think classes would be alot of fun. i liked alot of the answers alot its just when people start spazing saying i cant have a gun because of the way i type.

Herein lies the problem...

It has less to do with the way you type, and more to do with the way you represent yourself. If you don't care enough to use puncuation, capitalization, and grammar, how can you accept us to believe you will care enough to use proper handling techniques, safe firing practices, and proper storage? You've chosen to post a "serious question" with childish "jokes" horrible grammar, and improper puncuation.

It's very easy to hit the shift key and use proper grammar. It's much more difficult to follow proper cleaning and handling procedures. You are, presumably so, too lazy to use the shift key, so the reasonable and logical assumption is that you will be too lazy to follow safety procedures.

Do you see how that works? The way you have presented yourself to us has given the majority of responders the impression that you do not care about the little things like capitalization, or a trigger lock. That makes most of us very suspicious of your ability to safely own and use a handgun...

 

[Dinah]

What i mean when i say a bunch of peoples crap is i understand alot of it and im not mad at it all. But comeon are you really gona tell me i cant own a gun cuz the way i type!!!! thats the biggest load of crap ive ever heard

Nope, I never once mentioned your grammar or typing skills, although TY has an excellent point.

I and many others have said that you are not taking the matter seriously, you are being disrespectful to your mom by arguing with her, and that you are acting too proud by refusing to even entertain some of the very legitimate advice that the gun enthusiasts here have given you like taking more classes, oh yeah I also said that are sassing Rich. Those are my reasons for saying you are to young to have a pistol. Grammar skills are just the icing on that cake of why you are not yet ready.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Gun enthusiasts and your mom have said not yet, whats the problem? No one is telling you never, and believe me once high school comes closer to the end for you, the years will start flying by. Just hold off for now, no big deal.

 

[wstphal]

All - A firearm is designed to do one thing; kill. Not wound, not maim, not scare into submission. Just kill. Any other result is just consequential.

They can also be used for enjoyable non-killing sports like target shooting. Some are, in fact, optimized for that purpose. A 22 handgun isn't much good for killing except at pointblank range but it makes for inexpensive fun at the range. Of course, that's killing paper targets!

Edit: Or if you have a safe outdoor shooting venue, killing tin cans & various pieces of fruit is also an enjoyable use of a 22 handgun.

 

[l0ck_0ff]

this thread is truelly ridiculous. it should really be closed at this point. eveeryone has put in an input and nitelion keeps coming back and saying im not mad then jumbles up what people say... tyflier had a good point. and now i dont type the best because i am in fact lazy when i type, i wont deny it, but this is really getting to a point where we are all wasteing our time trying to help the kid out..

 

[wstphal]

I dunno, I think we accomplished quite a lot because we are not rabid anti-gun folks and I think nitelion did learn from us! So I don't feel my time was wasted at all.

 

[Reptilekyle64]

ugh why is this thread still alive such a waste of time, and only cool kids have guns >.> pew pew

 

[Kokopelli]

we are not rabid anti-gun folks

I kind of think I qualify as a rabid anti-gun... I guess my experiences prevent me from really seeing them as fun. I got shot at, saw people die, and a good friend of mine died. I can't think of guns as anything but extremely violent tools. Seeing children with them disturb me.
In training, shooting was fun... I got to shoot rifles, tank cannons, machine guns, a whole lot of weapons.
But... when I realized what it is I was training towards...
I've got nothing against their use in self defense but... the whole "fun" concept... guess that vanished when I really understood the ramifications.

 

[Dinah]

I kind of think I qualify as a rabid anti-gun... I guess my experiences prevent me from really seeing them as fun. I got shot at, saw people die, and a good friend of mine died. I can't think of guns as anything but extremely violent tools. Seeing children with them disturb me.
In training, shooting was fun... I got to shoot rifles, tank cannons, machine guns, a whole lot of weapons.
But... when I realized what it is I was training towards...
I've got nothing against their use in self defense but... the whole "fun" concept... guess that vanished when I really understood the ramifications.

I will be honest we do have fun with our guns, we can go out back and shoot fruit with .22's and things like that. But we always stress safety with the kids and while we do enjoy ourselves guns are not seen as toys in my family. Also please not before we get to far into this post, I am not uspet, or offended, or anything else like that I am just curious about your views. I treat owning guns very seriously and it seems like you and I both have the same reasoning/logic but somehow we have come to very different conclusions so I am curious is all.

I see you say that you can understand guns as a means of self defense, well as a parents it is my job to send my kids out into the world at 18 being able to take care of themselves and being able to defend themselves is an important component to me having done my job. How can they be prepared for that if they have been sheltered and kept away from such a very valuable tool? I am not at all squeamish about this issue I am open with my kids about what protecting yourself with a firearm means. It means killing another person if need be. But when a criminal puts me into a life or death situation the decision that someone is going to die has already been made by them. The only thing I have left to decide is whether that someone is going to be me and my kids or them. I would hate having to be in a situation like that, but I am also very clear about what my decision would be.

To be honest where we live Cell phone signal is not really existent, and there aren't any neighbors close enough to hear me scream out for help, besides even if someone could hear and call the police I could be dead before they would have time to respond. While my areas is very safe and there hasn't ever been a reason to be fearful what happens tactically speaking if there ever was a problem? All it would take is for someone to snip my phone lines and me and my kids would be totally cut off from the rest of the world, and so that is why we have guns. So that I can kill them if the need arises. I don't hide that from my kids, I make it as clear to them as possible. When they grow up and hopefully decide to have and carry guns I don't want them to feel squeamish or unsure in a bad situation, I want them to have thought clearly about the issue so that in the situation they don't have to think, they can just do.

All of the sport/hobby uses for guns are very valuable for kids and adults, because it allows people to become intimately familiar with their gun. A kid or adult who shoots and targets will be certain of where their bullet is going to go should they ever have to pull it in a bad situation. A person who uses their gun often for sport will know how to use it in a variety of differnet situations, they will know how to clear a jam, they will know exactly what pulling the trigger will feel like, and all of those things. I do not deny that target shooting, and the like prepares kids and adults in case they ever have to defend themselves. I just wonder why thats a bad thing?

 

[w00dg0blin]

They can also be used for enjoyable non-killing sports like target shooting. Some are, in fact, optimized for that purpose. A 22 handgun isn't much good for killing except at pointblank range

Yes they can be used for target shooting but you miss my point. Firearms are designed to kill. No firearm has been designed and manufactured for the simple sport of target shooting. None. Even the ones used in Olypmic shooting events are modified firearms that were originally designed to kill. Fact: The 22 pistol was a favorite weapon of the Mafia. Fact: The Ruger Mark I 22 pistol was a favorite of the CIA (they simply added a silencer to it). According to a U.S. Department of Justice document, "Guns Used in Crime", dated July 1995, "from 1982 to 1993, of the 687 officers
who were killed by firearms, 9.8% were killed by a 22 caliber handgun or rifle." That's 67 slain police officers. Still think they aint much good for killing?

 

[w00dg0blin]

I guess my experiences prevent me from really seeing them as fun.

The way you say it sounds like you're admitting a shortcoming. If you were born and raised in Israel then I can understand the confusion. From your perspective you only see the militant side of it. In the 80's I saw a few Royal Marines come back from Northern Ireland that will probably never be the same. Killing a man that is shooting at you is one thing. When it's a kid it's a whole other ball game.

America on the other hand has always had a strong hunting tradition. About 20 million people hunt in America. Hunting contributes over $30 billion to the economy each year. Other than a very small percent dedicated to military design, the majority of the American firearm industry is dedicated to hunting. That's firearms, scopes, sights, ammunition, new calibers, stocks, etc. A good example of this is the number of manufacturers that are currently offering "black rifles" (AR-15/M-16 style) designed strictly for hunting; LAR Grizzly Hunter, Rock River Arms, Remington, Ruger, Larue Tactical, Arma Lite Inc., Colt, Bennelli, American Tactical Imports, Bushmaster, DPMS Panther Arms, White Oak, etc. Hunting is big business over here. A lot of innovation is directly related to us hunters. We don't look at it from a military point of view. We want to get that deer, or drop that duck, or keep that groundhog out of the garden.

There is something special that happens when you take your kid out squirrel hunting. You get away from the hustle and bustle of everyday life. You get back to the basics and closer to your Creator. You don't get that when you play soccer with them.

 

[w00dg0blin]

One final observation and I'll get off my soap box.

I don't understand how someones poor spelling/grammar automatically means they will not practice sound gun safety. To me it's just ludicrious. That's like saying my choice of having a beard shows that I pay little attention to my personal appearance and therefore I will have poor gun safety skills.

It sounds alot like that part in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" where they surmise that a woman is a witch because she weighs the same as a duck, which means she floats, because she is made of wood and therefore a WITCH! BURN HER!

 

[l0ck_0ff]

One final observation and I'll get off my soap box.

I don't understand how someones poor spelling/grammar automatically means they will not practice sound gun safety. To me it's just ludicrious. That's like saying my choice of having a beard shows that I pay little attention to my personal appearance and therefore I will have poor gun safety skills.

It sounds alot like that part in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" where they surmise that a woman is a witch because she weighs the same as a duck, which means she floats, because she is made of wood and therefore a WITCH! BURN HER!

ill try not to be rude but if i am i apologize.

no one here is teling him because he has poor grammar that he will not be good at practicing safety... they are simply saying because he is lazy about the way he types and his immaturity that he probably won't wanna take the time to practice gun safety as most kids dont wanna go through the whole taking the time to learn it, kids just wanna get out there and do the good stuff. thats what they are saying. as most adults take the time to read up and practice what they are doing before they go out and do it.... kids donthave the patience to do that.. most kids aren't realisticly like " oh boy dad before we even get the gun can we go take classes and learn about it" most kids are more like " dad when am i getting a gun? when can i shoot it? can i hold it? can i sleep with it next ot my bed? can i play with it in the backyard? can i keep the ammunition in my dresser?" see what i mean?? thats what everyone here is afraid of.. which is him hurting himself.... all they are trying to do is keep him safe and tell him if he presented himself a little more maturely ( as in typing and speaking correctly) then maybe he would be old ennough to go out and have a pistol for target shooting or hunting with his parents or respected adult.... untilthen they tell him to man up a little bit and be mature about it and learn everything he can to be safe and well rounded when hes out shooting, so he doesn't hurt himself or someone else on accident.

now again i apologize for be rude if i was.... ill get off my soap box now

 

[Kokopelli]

I will be honest we do have fun with our guns, we can go out back and shoot fruit with .22's and things like that. But we always stress safety with the kids and while we do enjoy ourselves guns are not seen as toys in my family. Also please not before we get to far into this post, I am not uspet, or offended, or anything else like that I am just curious about your views. I treat owning guns very seriously and it seems like you and I both have the same reasoning/logic but somehow we have come to very different conclusions so I am curious is all.

I see you say that you can understand guns as a means of self defense, well as a parents it is my job to send my kids out into the world at 18 being able to take care of themselves and being able to defend themselves is an important component to me having done my job. How can they be prepared for that if they have been sheltered and kept away from such a very valuable tool? I am not at all squeamish about this issue I am open with my kids about what protecting yourself with a firearm means. It means killing another person if need be. But when a criminal puts me into a life or death situation the decision that someone is going to die has already been made by them. The only thing I have left to decide is whether that someone is going to be me and my kids or them. I would hate having to be in a situation like that, but I am also very clear about what my decision would be.

To be honest where we live Cell phone signal is not really existent, and there aren't any neighbors close enough to hear me scream out for help, besides even if someone could hear and call the police I could be dead before they would have time to respond. While my areas is very safe and there hasn't ever been a reason to be fearful what happens tactically speaking if there ever was a problem? All it would take is for someone to snip my phone lines and me and my kids would be totally cut off from the rest of the world, and so that is why we have guns. So that I can kill them if the need arises. I don't hide that from my kids, I make it as clear to them as possible. When they grow up and hopefully decide to have and carry guns I don't want them to feel squeamish or unsure in a bad situation, I want them to have thought clearly about the issue so that in the situation they don't have to think, they can just do.

All of the sport/hobby uses for guns are very valuable for kids and adults, because it allows people to become intimately familiar with their gun. A kid or adult who shoots and targets will be certain of where their bullet is going to go should they ever have to pull it in a bad situation. A person who uses their gun often for sport will know how to use it in a variety of differnet situations, they will know how to clear a jam, they will know exactly what pulling the trigger will feel like, and all of those things. I do not deny that target shooting, and the like prepares kids and adults in case they ever have to defend themselves. I just wonder why thats a bad thing?

I can't tell you that what you're doing is evil, or bad.
At the end of the day though? killing has become a family sport- and that just doesn't sit well for me. I think there are hundreds of wonderful ways to have fun and "get out of the hustle and bustle" that isn't involved with using weapons...
I can understand your arguments, I can't accept them as my own because my experiences prevent me from seeing guns without recalling times I would rather not re-live.

That doesn't make you "bad", or "evil". We're creatures who grow based on past experiences, and ours is too different to see the same side of the coin.

 

[tyflier]

One final observation and I'll get off my soap box.

I don't understand how someones poor spelling/grammar automatically means they will not practice sound gun safety. To me it's just ludicrious. That's like saying my choice of having a beard shows that I pay little attention to my personal appearance and therefore I will have poor gun safety skills.

I never said poor spelling or grammar automatically means anything. I said it gives us an impression. A first impression, if you will, and every bit as accurate AND full of failings as one which is face-to-face.

We don't know the guy. However, his writing is that of an individual with arrogance and a contempt for the law as it is written and his mother's house-rules. His "jokes" show immaturity and a lack of comprehension of what it takes to be a responsible gun owner.

It sounds alot like that part in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" where they surmise that a woman is a witch because she weighs the same as a duck, which means she floats, because she is made of wood and therefore a WITCH! BURN HER!

Not at all. It's more like an individual that goes to a job interview on Monday morning wearing the same clothes he wore to the bar Friday night, unshaven, and unshowered. I don't care how brilliant the individual is, he isn't likely to be hired because his demeanor is that of a slovenly individual that couldn't care enough to clean up for a job interview. As a potential employer, I can't help but consider that this individual will likely have the same careless attitude in performing his/her job duties.

A person that comprehends, fully, the responsibilities associated with owning a potentially lethal (and concealable)weapon, is mature enough to first respect the law when deciding on which guns they will own, and second to respect their parents wishes while living under their roof. The OP doesn't seem capable of either.

When you couple that WITH poor spelling, horrid grammar, and bad jokes, it doesn't leave a very good first impression...

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Oren, I just wanted to say again how much I appreciate your point of view. It always gives me a fresh outlook on a problem or issue, from a viewpoint I may have never come to on my own. Definitely, growing up in such a militant area, guns would be viewed completely differently. America hasn't fought a foreign war on it's own soil in almost 200 years, and the last war we had on our soil was between our own people. It's hard for Americans, I think, to understand war if they haven't been in the military and gone to other countries to fight them, because it's never been brought to us ("us" being people alive today, not the entire history of the country obviously).

 

[Nitelion94]

Okay. This is the last time I will be posting in this thread. I know I have said it to many times to count all ready but I am very sorry. I know ive smarted off and got mad a few...well a lot of times about comments you guys have made. I have read them over again and I see a lot of your points now and I am sorry. But there is a few things ive seen that I would like to say something about. I have never argued with my mom about getting a hand gun. I have asked a few...well a lot of times but thats what it took for me to get my snake. When I say owning a pistol I do not mean as in it siting beside my bed or in easy reach or something like that. It will be locked in my dads gun safe untill he gets it out for me when I will be with adults. I dont plan on just packing it around I do not want an accident to happen where someone else or even me gets hurt. When it comes to stuff like hunting I was/am raised in a very rural background and thats what i want it for untill im old enough to get a job and move out. And by then I think I will be old enough to own a gun. But I just wanted to thank everyone for there opinions. If people continue to post in this thread so be it but I want zero part in it or I will end up saying something stupid again. And dont worry if i post any more threads they wont be just started im putting alot of thought into them I dont want to start another one of these. Nitelion(or as some people call me...Mr Awesome)

 

[w00dg0blin]

ill try not to be rude but if i am i apologize...

Sorry about crunching your quote down but I hate it when people quote the whole post. Takes up too much space. That's just me though, so don't take any offense.

Anyhow, I agree with you 100%. Which is why they should have close adult supervision until they can demonstrate a reasonable amount of maturity. I still think grammar and beards have nothing to do with it though. Now if you said he shows no responsibility because; you got to tell him 10 times to take out the garbage, he has no focus, etc. I'd buy that.