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Boa or Carpet Python?

There are b.c.c. that are smaller than a Columbian b.c.i .
Just saying :)

Not quite the norm... and it depends on which BCI you compare to which BCC.
Most BCI will be smaller adults than BCC- the one exception to this is Colombian BCI if compared to certain BCC.
 
Not quite the norm... and it depends on which BCI you compare to which BCC.
Most BCI will be smaller adults than BCC- the one exception to this is Colombian BCI if compared to certain BCC.

This is what I was going for. I just couldn't grasp the king's english this early in the morning. :D

I wanted to get a Peruvian or Suriname boa when I went to the show but all they had was the Columbians and I had looked at them originally. Plus they had the hypos priced at 75 dollars and I picked her up for 60. So I think I did alright. :D
 
Not quite the norm... and it depends on which BCI you compare to which BCC.
Most BCI will be smaller adults than BCC- the one exception to this is Colombian BCI if compared to certain BCC.

Yeah i thought i worded that wrong. Generally a b.c.c. will be a tiny bit bigger than a Columbian b.c.i, but what i was trying to say is that there are some individual b.c.c. that are smaller than some Colombian b.c.i.

Using the info from a good German boa locality breeder almost all female b.c.c. will have an average length of 1.90 to 2.20 m (6.2 to 7.2 ft) and a female Colombian b.c.i. 1,8m -2,1m (6 - 7 ft).
 
Agreed atmox but it also depends on the prey items your feeding them and husbandry in general. If your feeding something like rabbits twice a month the animal will get bigger (like 8 or 9 feet for the columbian females). If your feeding rats twice/thrice a month the animal will probably get to the sizes you mentioned. This all forgets power feeding which can make them even larger but I WILL NEVER power feed or suggest that anyone do it. These are also averages that I have seen and read so take them with a grain of salt. :)

Good info BTW atmox and Kokopelli! Love debates on forums (as long as they don't turn into grudge matches lol). :D
 
Agreed atmox but it also depends on the prey items your feeding them and husbandry in general. If your feeding something like rabbits twice a month the animal will get bigger (like 8 or 9 feet for the columbian females). If your feeding rats twice/thrice a month the animal will probably get to the sizes you mentioned. This all forgets power feeding which can make them even larger but I WILL NEVER power feed or suggest that anyone do it. These are also averages that I have seen and read so take them with a grain of salt. :)

Good info BTW atmox and Kokopelli! Love debates on forums (as long as they don't turn into grudge matches lol). :D

The German breeder i mentioned feeds juvenile rabbits, can't remember how many times a month.
 
The German breeder i mentioned feeds juvenile rabbits, can't remember how many times a month.

LOL, maybe its wishful thinking on my part that Niterii get that big or maybe the people I had read posts from were feeding rabbits more than twice a month. :D

Anyway, it will ultimately depend on the animal itself and what it is predisposed to genetically with proper diet and care.
 
Stöckl said:
How often should the snake be fed?

There is no general answer for this question. As mentioned previously, neonates must not be fed more often than once every 10 to 14 days (must, not should!).

Once they have passed their first year, it is certainly recommendable for the larger subspecies (Boa c. constrictor, Boa c. occidentalis) to feed on a weekly basis for a year. The growth rate is at its peak in this second year, and everything that the snake receives now, is converted into lengthwise growth.

Especially young Boa c. Constrictor turn hereby into real garbage disposals. As much as they can pose problems concerning regurgitation in their first year, they prove to be just as robust in their second year.

Naturally, Boa constrictors need to get used to a larger amount of prey slowly. Feeding a single mouse every 14 days in December, and then suddenly a breeder-sized rat every week in January is impossible. Therefore, increase slowly!

As soon as the boa has reached a satisfactory size or has put on a bit too much fat, the feeding intervals need to be increased again.

The following is valid as a rule of thumb for the entire remaining life-span of the snake: adult (mature) females are to be fed every 2 to 3 weeks, adult males every 3 to 4 weeks.

Once you are the proud owner of a three-meter „mallet“, feeding a guinea-pig or a young rabbit once every four weeks is satisfactory. Boa constrictors of that size (only the previously mentioned subspecies can reach this size) generally grow very slowly, and have a tendency to put on fat.

This is from the site :)
 
Stöckl said:
Boa Prey animals

Boa Prey animals

A large variety of prey animals is available for the Genus Boa constrictor, and especially the larger subspecies (Boa c. constrictor, Boa c. occidentalis) are not very picky. While mice or rat babies are suitable for neonate boas, adult specimen feed on (monster-) rats, guinea pigs, rabbits, and chicken. Even gerbils are readily accepted.

From our own experience, we can confirm that rabbits are the best suitable prey for adult Boa constrictor. We would like to stress that we don't mean adult rabbits, but only juvenile specimens that are not bigger than an adult rat of appropriate size.

Adult rabbits are not a suitable boa food!

While a „guinea pig diet“ increases the body fat of the snake, feeding rabbits seems to increase the growth lengthwise.

It is certainly not a bad idea to feed something else every now and then. This brings a bit of variety to the menu, and protects of the potential risks involved with monotonous nutrition.

And some more info from the site.
 
From Big Apple Herps but the excerpt is pretty much a general consensus for all the care sheets I have read on the Columbian (BCI):

Columbian Red Tail Boas have been a favorite of snake keepers for many years but as responsible boa breeders we want to give you all the facts you'll need to make a proper decision. Red Tail Boas are truly magnificent snakes but the cute little 3 ounce 20 inch hatchling will be a whopping 4 to 5 feet within a year. By the end of the second year the Red Tail Boa will typically reach 6 to 8 feet total. After the second year growth rate slows significantly and an adult size of 6 to 10 feet will take place. Lastly, these snakes typically live a long time (ie. 30 years) and while captive bred Red Tails are docile snakes that adapt to handling well you need to consistently handle your snake to keep it that way. The Columbian Red Tail Boa comes from as the name implies Columbia. At Big Apple Pet Supply, all our Columbian Red Tail Boas are bred in house as we maintain a strict quality control. Wild caught Columbian Red Tail Boas typically carry parasites and can be much more aggressive than captive bred ones - at Big Apple Pet Supply we do not sell any wild caught reptiles!

I think the difference is here:

FOOD

Columbian Red Tail Boas eat mice, rats and eventually even rabbits but the size of the prey is dependent upon the girth of the snake. You should not feed your Columbian Red Tail Boa anything bigger than the thickest part of its body. The prey item should leave a readily noticeable lump in the snake. This is fairly standard for all species of snakes. Hatchling snakes are typically fed every 5 days while adults should be typically fed every 10 days. However, it should be noted that some hobbyists feed adult snakes once a week.
 
Depends on the approach.
In Boas, one should bear in mind that high concentrations of fat can lead to poisoning. Also, from personal experience and work with Boas- once they hit the one year marker, I feed every two weeks- the growth rate is still very rapid.
Females that reach great size within a short period of time can end up having a shortened life-span. Obesity can actually lead to fertility issues.

So... it's down to the breeder's way of work.

In the literature, BCC are regarded as the largest subspecies in the Boa constrictor complex.
 
Also, another reason why the breeder you mentioned speaks of bigger BCI is because BCC are far more sensitive and prone to regurgitation. He is probably being more careful with them and hands smaller prey items less frequently because of it... BCI can wolf food down and are far less prone to regurgitation and suffer far less if it does happen.
 
Yeah, I know the boids are prone to obescity in captivity because they can't exercise the way they would in the wild and, as I said, I would never power feed an animal to make it get bigger because of all the negative health aspects. I didn't take the first care sheet I read as law. I actually read a dozen or so care sheets and many forum topics/popsts and came up with an average care sheet for myself to follow. It just ended up that the ones I read all said pretty much the same thing. I have heard that the boas are not picky eaters (especially the BCC's) and will take pretty much anything (from these care sheets).

I am not in any way trying to pass myself off as an expert on boas. In the first post on this topic I said I hadn't had her very long (today makes a week). I just wanted to share the info that I got from reading the many care sheets and other informational material here for posterity. :D
 
Nah I don't think anyone is trying to pass himself an expert...
I have been keeping Boas for around 3 years now, and have around 15 of'em.
 
Nah I don't think anyone is trying to pass himself an expert...
I have been keeping Boas for around 3 years now, and have around 15 of'em.

No worries! :D I didn't take any offense at all. Actually I looked back at some of my posts (objectively) and they looked a bit "stuffy" to me (for lack of a better way to put it) which I was trying to avoid. :eek:
 
I'm certainly no expert, i don't have a boa constrictor and probably won't have one while i live in this country. (I think the government still blames snakes for the whole Adam and Eve stuff :noevil: )
 
I'm certainly no expert, i don't have a boa constrictor and probably won't have one while i live in this country. (I think the government still blames snakes for the whole Adam and Eve stuff :noevil: )

Yeah, unfortunately, atmox, I don't think most people are ever going to be able to get over that. :nope:
 
Yeah, unfortunately, atmox, I don't think most people are ever going to be able to get over that. :nope:

it's just completely ridiculous, dumeril boa's = no problem, but a hog island bci is illegal without having the same license you need for cobra's. Just wtf...
 
it's just completely ridiculous, dumeril boa's = no problem, but a hog island bci is illegal without having the same license you need for cobra's. Just wtf...

Sounds like some of the laws here in the states (depending on where you are). They make no sense and are completely counter-productive for little people like us.

This could go on forever TBH. However, not to be rude, I feel that we are hijacking the OP's thread. :)
 
Sounds like some of the laws here in the states (depending on where you are). They make no sense and are completely counter-productive for little people like us.

This could go on forever TBH. However, not to be rude, I feel that we are hijacking the OP's thread. :)

You're right, we are.
Sorry OP, if you make your choice make sure to post pictures!
 
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