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"The Grey"

AliCat37

AliCat37

Michelle's Candied Corns!
Maybe some of you know, maybe some of you don't, corn snakes are my hobby. My true passion lies with our native large predators. I am going to school currently to be a zoologist, specifically so I can work with wolves and eventually hope to run my own wolf rescue and educational center.

Since the new movie "The Grey" is premiering this Friday, and undoubtedly some or many of you will see it, I simply wish to present some facts about wolves that are very, very misconstrued in the film, and about wolves in general.

Wolves do not attack people, they do not kill people. In fact, there are only two cases in the last 100 years that have been described as wolf attacks, and even those are suspicious.

Wolves fear people, and will do their best to keep far out of our paths.

Wolves don't live in packs- they live in families. There is a mom and a dad, and their kids.

They are not these "killing machines" that everyone makes them out to be. They can only kill elk that have a health problem- even the fastest wolf on his best day could not catch a healthy elk. Elk harvest numbers have not decreased.

Wolves do not "hamstring" their prey.

Lastly, four real wolves, wild wolves, were trapped and then killed during the making of the movie "The Grey".


If you enjoy reading, I urge you to go pick up a copy of the book "Never Cry Wolf" by Farley Mowat. It is an older, but still very relevant and comedic book about real wolves in the Alaskan wilderness.

If you want to see the "vicious" Alaskan wolves for real, check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHelxEEeSi8

To learn more about wolves, please visit http://wolfwatcher.org/
 
Thank you for this post!!!

I love wolves and hate that people have all these false stereotypes about them.

That is horrible about them actually killing the wolves! I will not go see this movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love wolves, but I don't agree with keeping them as pets etc... This is not to start a debate, just the way I feel!
 
They trapped and killed four wild wolves? What the heck?? Why couldn't they've just used ones that are trained for movies? I will definitely NOT see this. I hate movies that have animals as the antagonists and the facts are all wrong. :(
 
Weeeeelllllll, 'they' didn't. They bought four wolves off a local trapper who does this for a living. So it's not really any different than buying four cow carcasses off a butcher.

The perception of wolves in the general public is directly responsible for them almost becoming extinct and I am absolutely in agreement that this film isn't going to help, but expecting a non-documentary film to be accurate is kinda futile.

Hopefully the boycott being organized will raise awareness of the plight of wolves, but I wouldn't go so far as to demonize the production for buying dead wolves off a trapper.
 
While I don't really have an issue with hunting or anything of that sort, I do have an issue with trapping. But yes, this movie is not sending out a good message, especially because I think that most people don't realize that our wolves are possibly facing extirpation for a second time in the lower 48. Some people may take the movie as depicting true events. I won't be seeing the film, but I am not going to attack those that do- just try my best to inform them that the movie is fictional.
 
Can you provide the link to the information about the wolves that were killed? I would like to read more about it. I'm not doubting that it happened, I just want to hear more.
 
AliCat37 said:
If you enjoy reading, I urge you to go pick up a copy of the book "Never Cry Wolf" by Farley Mowat. It is an older, but still very relevant and comedic book about real wolves in the Alaskan wilderness.
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I love this book. It's a great story. And that is what it seems to be. Several of Mowats claims are disputed. The main one being that the wolves he observed survived solely on mice/lemmings.

An example:

"Whereas the other books and articles were based strictly on facts and the experiences of the author, Mowat’s seems to be basically fiction founded somewhat on facts. It appears to have been compounded by his own limited adventures with wild wolves plus a generous quantity of unacknowledged experiences of other authors; a certain amount of imagination and embellishment probably completed the formula for this book."[10]

— L. David Mech, University of Minnesota

Not that that proves the case but it is something to be aware of. Have you run into anything else about this dust up?
 
I found plenty more info. Not only were the wolves trapped and sold already dead to the director, he actually had the cast and crew EAT the wolf meat to experience it. I don't like trapping, I really resent killing wolves for any reason, but to cook and eat their meat just to get the taste is vile and repulsive. Hey, let's film the Donner Party, we all know what they ate.
 
derekmc said:
Not that that proves the case but it is something to be aware of. Have you run into anything else about this dust up?
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I have heard about Mech's disputes, but it is a fact that most of what was written in the book has been proven to be true. Whether or not the lemmings part was, I don't know, but I do not see why their prey base would not shift if their main food source was to move on. It could also be that the particular pack studied would eat lemmings, when other packs would eat something else. There should have been a larger study group. It is known that wolves will scavenge when elk herds move on, one study in particular found that over 80% of wolf diet in the off season was beef scavenged from ranchers' bone yards. Their diets also change to fish, birds, squirrels, whatever they can find.
 
I have not visited that particular sanctuary, but they did a few programs at CSU when I attended there. I have been to Mission: Wolf in Westcliff CO as well as Indigo Mountain and Colorado Wolf and Wildlife Center in Divide CO.
 
Yes. People killing something to eat it are vile and repulsive.

Good lord, humanity doesn't exist without us killing something to munch on it. But hey, you ride your high horse in the sunset.
 
Nova_C said:
Yes. People killing something to eat it are vile and repulsive.

Good lord, humanity doesn't exist without us killing something to munch on it. But hey, you ride your high horse in the sunset.
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I'm not saying that it was wrong to eat them. Though humanity would do perfectly fine on a vegetarian diet.. not to start a different debate. What I find wrong was the fact that these animals were killed for entertainment.
 
srsb said:
I went to WOLF probably about 10 years ago. Absolutely amazing experience.
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As far as I know, they can no longer have the public tour, you have to be a volunteer to visit. There was something with the insurance or something of the sort.

And yes, Wolf Haven really needs help, they are expecting to be closed into March- April from the damage.
 
Read?

Nova_C said:
Yes. People killing something to eat it are vile and repulsive.

Good lord, humanity doesn't exist without us killing something to munch on it. But hey, you ride your high horse in the sunset.
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Good Lord, do you read peoples posts or just jump in and try and antagonize?

She never said it was wrong to kill and eat animals. What she DID state is the she thought it was replusive that the director made the crew eat the meat just to "get the taste of it" and "exxperience it". Maybe it is just me but there is a big difference there. Where did she say we shouldn't kill anything to eat?

Better duck when you ride your Shetland Pony through the rose bushes.

dc
 
AliCat37 said:
Maybe some of you know, maybe some of you don't, corn snakes are my hobby. My true passion lies with our native large predators. I am going to school currently to be a zoologist, specifically so I can work with wolves and eventually hope to run my own wolf rescue and educational center.
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Regarding the eating of the wolf meat, I wonder where they were killed and if the meat was purchased? If in the US and sold, then it is illegal to sell game meat. I won't follow the link, no need to read about how some brave hunter protected untold numbers of people and live stock by taking these savage killers out. Before anyone attacks, I am a hunter, not a trapper. Like my thoughts or not, I think trapping is weak. There is no TRUE scientific data to support a need for a huntig or trapping season on Grey Wolves in the US. Most of the livestock killed is by coyote or wild dog packs. Heck, wolverines and prarie dogs are responsible for more loss of livestock than wolves but they haven't been hunted to near extinction.

Good luck in your studies and endeavors. We raised wolves for a long time but no longer do (Labs and snakes now). Wolves take an incredible amount of work and patience.

dc
 
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