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My right to bear arms is under fire right now.

Obama said:
So if you believe that we can take sensible steps to protect more of our kids from gun violence and protect our Second Amendment rights, stand up and join us.
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WHAT?!?!? How does that sentence make any sense.
 
IMHO The big push in the latest 'compromise' in the senate is mostly record keeping. Record keeping has a serious history on this planet when it comes to an armed citizenry. They speak of background checks for Internet sales and gun shows. Those sales already require a background check. It exempts personal sales which is also the case (in Ohio and other states not all). So what is to be gained? Records! They will tell you it's so they can track a gun back to the perp.

A show of hands how many think a criminal will buy a gun that can be tracked back to him/her? How many that plan to avoid any checks and steal a gun to kill kids before killing himself (like Sandy Hook) will be stopped?

Interesting side note, since Obama took office there have been approx 15,000 background check failures under the current NICS system. Of those the Obama justice dept with Mr. Holder have prosecuted just 44. You read that correct 44 out of 15,000. :shrugs:
 
Did you guys hear about the gun shop that sold Lanza's mom the guns a few years ago (the same guns used in the shooting at Sandy Hook) had their license revoked permanently, due to the fact that the guns were used in Sandy Hook? That ticked me off. How in the world is the guy who sold the guns responsible for the actions of the womans son? According to the state and federal government... It is apparently his fault... (I still need to find the story again. It has been a while since reading it.)
 
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Did you guys hear about the gun shop that sold Lanza's mom the guns a few years ago (the same guns used in the shooting at Sandy Hook) had their license revoked permanently, due to the fact that the guns were used in Sandy Hook? That ticked me off. How in the world is the guy who sold the guns responsible for the actions of the womans son? According to the state and federal government... It is apparently his fault... (I still need to find the story again. It has been a while since reading it.)
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Have not read any details but did hear they lost their license.
 
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That shop getting their license pulled is complete BS, though the ATF claims there is a long list of violations (ironically not tied to the Sandy Hook weapons). No matter what the reasons, the timing makes it look punitive no matter what justification is applied. Talk about shutting the door after the livestock are out.

Makes we wonder if those who lost kids in Newtown could sue the ATF, since they knew there was an issue with the store but failed to act promptly to address it. Probably no direct harm since the Lanza transactions were apparently clean.

Link to UPI story
 
It's baffling here in America these days. I'm moving out of city limits into the country very soon. I do not believe America as we know it will be here in 20-25 years, I strongly believe and hope for civil war and the retaking of a free country.

I have seen people beaten to death with pipes and bricks. Home depot is in business. People suffocated by pillows. American Furniture Warehouse is open. People stabbed to death with screwdrivers. Ace Hardware going strong. People strangled by rope, poisoned, hit with cars.... None of my rights to home improvement, fishing, or driving my car are in danger... Just to own a firearm.

Can a brick stand up to our Tyrant government? How about a rope? A car? Nope.

Can people with guns? If everyone owned guns, would they allow a group of police officers to beat the snot out of a homeless man? I sure wouldn't. If they wanted to put martial law into affect- could you fight back without it? Not really.

The government tells me what animals I can keep, what car I can drive, what weapons I can own, where I can walk and how I can walk. They tell me I have to have healthcare even though I haven't seen a doctor in YEARS. They tell me Pot is bad- when I've seen it help people beat cancer, anxiety disorders, depression, anorexia, etc. They tell me to take a little pill from some random chemist and use radiation to kill Cancer- but outlaw a plant.

Our government is nothing short of the dumbest thing on the face of this earth. Period.
 
^^ Wow - nice stats! It's a darn shame that the anti-gun folks will look at these data and instead of thinking about what the numbers mean, will instead look at headlines about Newtown, Aurora, and other attacks and go with their "gut" feeling that guns are bad. John and Jane Q. Public are so mathematically challenged these days they simply can't analyze data and make defensible conclusions, and as a result they depend on other people with agendas to think for them - thank you mass media and anti-intellectualism...
 
Just received this in an email.
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Here is the link to the full article on their blog. http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/a-warning-to-all-gun-bloggers-and-forums-boston-marathon-explosions/
 
Not sure how this is news, but it's intriguing to see it as it happens. I'm beginning to think that social media may be a sign of an impending collapse of good sense in this country. Curse you Mark Zuckerberg!

Anti-gun zealots have been trying to demonize the pro 2nd crowd for years, just as the anti-abortion folks demonize pro-choicers...
 
Guruofchem said:
Not sure how this is news, but it's intriguing to see it as it happens. I'm beginning to think that social media may be a sign of an impending collapse of good sense in this country. Curse you Mark Zuckerberg!

Anti-gun zealots have been trying to demonize the pro 2nd crowd for years, just as the anti-abortion folks demonize pro-choicers...
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It was more of a public service announcement than news.
 
Bruised Bottom for our President...:grin01:

Shameful day, indeed /sarcasm... Apparently that 91% that our President flaunts as supporting more strict gun control laws under the guise of "protecting the children", is non-existent... But, we already knew that, didn't we? I mean, how many other statistics has this guy thrown out there that have been proven lies?

A few hours ago, President Obama stood with parents who lost children in the Newtown tragedy and said: "All in all, today was a pretty shameful day for Washington."

That's because a minority of senators blocked legislation that would have made America safer and better protected our kids. Forty-five lawmakers stood in the way of improvements to the background check system that would keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals and the mentally unstable -- something that 90 percent of Americans support.

You're going to want to hear President Obama explain why he thinks this happened. Watch the video or read the transcript below, then share this so that everyone knows what comes next:

Watch President Obama

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/preventing-gun-violence/action

-- The President's Remarks --

A few months ago, in response to too many tragedies -- including the shootings of a United States Congresswoman, Gabby Giffords, who's here today, and the murder of 20 innocent schoolchildren and their teachers -- this country took up the cause of protecting more of our people from gun violence.

Families that know unspeakable grief summoned the courage to petition their elected leaders -- not just to honor the memory of their children, but to protect the lives of all our children. And a few minutes ago, a minority in the United States Senate decided it wasn't worth it. They blocked common-sense gun reforms even while these families looked on from the Senate gallery.

By now, it's well known that 90 percent of the American people support universal background checks that make it harder for a dangerous person to buy a gun. We're talking about convicted felons, people convicted of domestic violence, people with a severe mental illness. Ninety percent of Americans support that idea. Most Americans think that's already the law.

And a few minutes ago, 90 percent of Democrats in the Senate just voted for that idea. But it's not going to happen because 90 percent of Republicans in the Senate just voted against that idea.

A majority of senators voted "yes" to protecting more of our citizens with smarter background checks. But by this continuing distortion of Senate rules, a minority was able to block it from moving forward.

I'm going to speak plainly and honestly about what's happened here because the American people are trying to figure out how can something have 90 percent support and yet not happen. We had a Democrat and a Republican -– both gun owners, both fierce defenders of our Second Amendment, with "A" grades from the NRA -- come together and worked together to write a common-sense compromise on background checks. And I want to thank Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey for their courage in doing that. That was not easy given their traditional strong support for Second Amendment rights.

As they said, nobody could honestly claim that the package they put together infringed on our Second Amendment rights. All it did was extend the same background check rules that already apply to guns purchased from a dealer to guns purchased at gun shows or over the Internet. So 60 percent of guns are already purchased through a background check system; this would have covered a lot of the guns that are currently outside that system.

Their legislation showed respect for gun owners, and it showed respect for the victims of gun violence. And Gabby Giffords, by the way, is both -- she's a gun owner and a victim of gun violence. She is a Westerner and a moderate. And she supports these background checks.

In fact, even the NRA used to support expanded background checks. The current leader of the NRA used to support these background checks. So while this compromise didn't contain everything I wanted or everything that these families wanted, it did represent progress. It represented moderation and common sense. That's why 90 percent of the American people supported it.

But instead of supporting this compromise, the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill. They claimed that it would create some sort of "big brother" gun registry, even though the bill did the opposite. This legislation, in fact, outlawed any registry. Plain and simple, right there in the text. But that didn't matter.

And unfortunately, this pattern of spreading untruths about this legislation served a purpose, because those lies upset an intense minority of gun owners, and that in turn intimidated a lot of senators. And I talked to several of these senators over the past few weeks, and they're all good people. I know all of them were shocked by tragedies like Newtown. And I also understand that they come from states that are strongly pro-gun. And I have consistently said that there are regional differences when it comes to guns, and that both sides have to listen to each other.

But the fact is most of these senators could not offer any good reason why we wouldn't want to make it harder for criminals and those with severe mental illnesses to buy a gun. There were no coherent arguments as to why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics -- the worry that that vocal minority of gun owners would come after them in future elections. They worried that the gun lobby would spend a lot of money and paint them as anti-Second Amendment.

And obviously, a lot of Republicans had that fear, but Democrats had that fear, too. And so they caved to the pressure, and they started looking for an excuse -- any excuse -- to vote "no."

One common argument I heard was that this legislation wouldn't prevent all future massacres. And that's true. As I said from the start, no single piece of legislation can stop every act of violence and evil. We learned that tragically just two days ago. But if action by Congress could have saved one person, one child, a few hundred, a few thousand -- if it could have prevented those people from losing their lives to gun violence in the future while preserving our Second Amendment rights, we had an obligation to try.

And this legislation met that test. And too many senators failed theirs.

I've heard some say that blocking this step would be a victory. And my question is, a victory for who? A victory for what? All that happened today was the preservation of the loophole that lets dangerous criminals buy guns without a background check. That didn't make our kids safer. Victory for not doing something that 90 percent of Americans, 80 percent of Republicans, the vast majority of your constituents wanted to get done? It begs the question, who are we here to represent?

I've heard folks say that having the families of victims lobby for this legislation was somehow misplaced. "A prop," somebody called them. "Emotional blackmail," some outlet said. Are they serious? Do we really think that thousands of families whose lives have been shattered by gun violence don't have a right to weigh in on this issue? Do we think their emotions, their loss is not relevant to this debate?

So all in all, this was a pretty shameful day for Washington.

But this effort is not over. I want to make it clear to the American people we can still bring about meaningful changes that reduce gun violence, so long as the American people don't give up on it. Even without Congress, my administration will keep doing everything it can to protect more of our communities. We're going to address the barriers that prevent states from participating in the existing background check system. We're going to give law enforcement more information about lost and stolen guns so it can do its job. We're going to help to put in place emergency plans to protect our children in their schools.

But we can do more if Congress gets its act together. And if this Congress refuses to listen to the American people and pass common-sense gun legislation, then the real impact is going to have to come from the voters.

To all the people who supported this legislation -- law enforcement and responsible gun owners, Democrats and Republicans, urban moms, rural hunters, whoever you are -- you need to let your representatives in Congress know that you are disappointed, and that if they don't act this time, you will remember come election time.

To the wide majority of NRA households who supported this legislation, you need to let your leadership and lobbyists in Washington know they didn't represent your views on this one.

The point is those who care deeply about preventing more and more gun violence will have to be as passionate, and as organized, and as vocal as those who blocked these common-sense steps to help keep our kids safe. Ultimately, you outnumber those who argued the other way. But they're better organized. They're better financed. They've been at it longer. And they make sure to stay focused on this one issue during election time. And that's the reason why you can have something that 90 percent of Americans support and you can't get it through the Senate or the House of Representatives.

So to change Washington, you, the American people, are going to have to sustain some passion about this. And when necessary, you've got to send the right people to Washington. And that requires strength, and it requires persistence.

And that's the one thing that these families should have inspired in all of us. I still don't know how they have been able to muster up the strength to do what they've doing over the last several weeks, last several months.

And I see this as just round one. When Newtown happened, I met with these families and I spoke to the community, and I said, something must be different right now. We're going to have to change. That's what the whole country said. Everybody talked about how we were going to change something to make sure this didn't happen again, just like everybody talked about how we needed to do something after Aurora. Everybody talked about we needed change something after Tucson.

And I'm assuming that the emotions that we've all felt since Newtown, the emotions that we've all felt since Tucson and Aurora and Chicago -- the pain we share with these families and families all across the country who've lost a loved one to gun violence -- I'm assuming that's not a temporary thing. I'm assuming our expressions of grief and our commitment to do something different to prevent these things from happening are not empty words.

I believe we're going to be able to get this done. Sooner or later, we are going to get this right. The memories of these children demand it. And so do the American people.

Thank you very much, everybody.
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