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Why do normal striped corns lack black pigment?

manog

manog

Closet Creation Herps
Just received a yearling female normal striper. First striper for me and noticed not a hint of black in her. Went online and saw that all normals lack the black that is common around the sadles of a corn. Has anyone guessed as to why this is???
 
It's because of the pattern. Motleys and stripes have a natural reduction in the saddle bands, which gives them a lightening/hypo-ish appearance, which makes them an excellent choice to use with bloodreds to eventually get that unicolor cornsnake. Some breeders are selectively trying to increase the amount of black saddle bands, especially in the motleys. However, most people prefer the stripes just the way they are.
 
I also have a yearling striped corn. By looking at his colors I was sure that he is a hypo-striped corn. Now I have doubt. Here's a picture. What do you say?
 

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Susan said:
It's because of the pattern. Motleys and stripes have a natural reduction in the saddle bands, which gives them a lightening/hypo-ish appearance, which makes them an excellent choice to use with bloodreds to eventually get that unicolor cornsnake. Some breeders are selectively trying to increase the amount of black saddle bands, especially in the motleys. However, most people prefer the stripes just the way they are.
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Hey, some of us like the black stripes in "Okeetee stripes", too......lol. It isn't nice to pick on a minority! :sidestep:

Seriously, it seems almost impossible to get black stripes to remain in a striped cornsnake (due to the aforementioned hypo-like effect), but there are a few lines selecting for that look specifically. It is still in its infancy, though.....
KJ
 
My friend has a female normal stripe, it has lots of black speckling on its belly over the clear white belly scutes
 
TWGarland said:
My friend has a female normal stripe, it has lots of black speckling on its belly over the clear white belly scutes
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That's not THAT uncommon. Matter of fact, some stripeds/motleys have lots of marking on their ventral. I know there is a rumor going around that it is based on a simple recessive trait, but that's only possible if you ignore the cases where you breed two like that together and get ones with plain bellies.....lol.

KJ
 
KJUN said:
Hey, some of us like the black stripes in "Okeetee stripes", too......lol. It isn't nice to pick on a minority! :sidestep:
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They have those? I knew there are some breeders working on "Okeetee phase motleys" but can't recall ever seeing a stripe that actually had semi-pronounced black borders, even as a hatchling. If you have or know of a photo, I would LOVE to see it!
 
Susan said:
They have those? I knew there are some breeders working on "Okeetee phase motleys" but can't recall ever seeing a stripe that actually had semi-pronounced black borders, even as a hatchling. If you have or know of a photo, I would LOVE to see it!
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We've got the black borders OK on ours: they are about 1 scale row wide at this point. The coloration, though, isn't as bright orange as we want for Okeetee Corns, but the next generation should help improve the coloration further. We gave Don an extra male from our line (that wasn't as good as our personal keeper), and he bred it to a normal corn het stripe (one parent was an Okeetee) and an excellent Abbott's Okeetee. We bred ours to an Abbott's, and I plan to breed the pair together in a couple of weeks.

I know that Don has used some of our images in a couple talks at some large shows, but we haven't posted images yet. ;) There is something REALLY strange going on with the so-called striped pattern in this line. Until we get some breeding trials completed this year, we aren't talking THAT much about them or posting too many images. None are going to be sold until we figure out what we are seeing. I don't think we are dealing with anything new, but it is odd enough to warrant a close watch.

Regardless, almost (but not quite....yet) a scale row wide of melanin on a "stripe" is a good start. When we start understanding what is going on here, I'll post images, the story, everything! I promise.
 
KJUN said:
When we start understanding what is going on here, I'll post images, the story, everything! I promise.
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I can hardly wait to see those images.

Anyway, should I change the hypo-stripe in my signature to stripe ?
 
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