WOOOT BARRACK OBAMA

[jazzgeek]

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Dale

 

[ForkedTung]

Am I the only one that thinks this guys needs to be impeached!

Obama Faces More Questions on Citizenship

It's starting to look that way. Of course you could always take your blinders off.

WASHINGTON - Making national cable news can be a coup for a freshman congressman — unless the show is the satirical Colbert Report and its anchor calls you "part alligator" while mocking one of your bills.

Such was the fallout when U.S. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Rockledge, introduced legislation last month that would require all presidential candidates to submit a birth certificate when qualifying to run. Posey said the intent was to prevent a repeat of what happened last year, when fringe critics of then-candidate Barack Obama questioned his citizenship.

Instead, the bill fell flat — it has yet to attract a co-sponsor — and Posey took a beating from late-night comedy-show hosts and liberal media, who accused him of kowtowing to extremists in his party.

"I expected there would be some civil debate about it, but it wasn't civil," Posey said. "Just a bunch of name-calling and personal denigration. ... There is no reason to say that I'm the illegitimate grandson of an alligator."



He now says that he has "no reason to question" that Obama — born in Hawaii to an African father and an 18-year-old American mother — is a U.S. citizen. Initially, though, he told the Orlando Sentinel that he couldn't "swear on a stack of Bibles whether he [Obama] is or isn't [an American]."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-asec-posey-040909,0,6201727.story

 

[tom e]

Boy you gotta give it to the teabaggers though. Tax rates are out of control.. Unless wait, historically they are really really low. http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php (Yes I realize we are going to see a 3% hike on the top, doesn't seem like much when you put it in perspective..)

As far as the spent money, is there a difference between a giant give away and a national investment? Do we differentiate between different KINDS of government spending?

Like spending money making people in the middle east hate us vs. spending money creating the technologies of the future. Or heck even modern roads and power grids?

 

[jazzgeek]

It's starting to look that way. Of course you could always take your blinders off.

WASHINGTON - Making national cable news can be a coup for a freshman congressman — unless the show is the satirical Colbert Report and its anchor calls you "part alligator" while mocking one of your bills.

Such was the fallout when U.S. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Rockledge, introduced legislation last month that would require all presidential candidates to submit a birth certificate when qualifying to run. Posey said the intent was to prevent a repeat of what happened last year, when fringe critics of then-candidate Barack Obama questioned his citizenship.

Instead, the bill fell flat — it has yet to attract a co-sponsor — and Posey took a beating from late-night comedy-show hosts and liberal media, who accused him of kowtowing to extremists in his party.

"I expected there would be some civil debate about it, but it wasn't civil," Posey said. "Just a bunch of name-calling and personal denigration. ... There is no reason to say that I'm the illegitimate grandson of an alligator."



He now says that he has "no reason to question" that Obama — born in Hawaii to an African father and an 18-year-old American mother — is a U.S. citizen. Initially, though, he told the Orlando Sentinel that he couldn't "swear on a stack of Bibles whether he [Obama] is or isn't [an American]."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-asec-posey-040909,0,6201727.story

Colbert has a good deal to do with this.


Dale

 

[Michael823]

Boy you gotta give it to the teabaggers though. Tax rates are out of control.. Unless wait, historically they are really really low. http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php (Yes I realize we are going to see a 3% hike on the top, doesn't seem like much when you put it in perspective..)

As far as the spent money, is there a difference to the right between a giant give away and a national investment? Do we differentiate between different KINDS of government spending?

Like spending money making people in the middle east hate us vs. spending money creating the technologies of the future. Or heck even modern roads and power grids?

So true, I heard little about spending when it was going towards the war. But spend it here to develop technology and create jobs... I'd rather help the good guys live, than make the bad guys die.

 

[KJUN]

I'd rather help the good guys live, than make the bad guys die.

Ahhhhhh, but Bush didn't spend the amount of money on the entire war to help you stay ALIVE from terrorist attacks as Obama has already decided to spend to inflate American's savings to NOTHING. Maybe that is why you hear more now than before - because that money was spent to fight terrorism (whether right or wrong - that is another debate) and this money is being spent to give it to people that didn't earn it to protect companies that should probably be allowed to just fail from the weight of their own incompetence and stupid mistakes!

 

[KJUN]

(Yes I realize we are going to see a 3% hike on the top, doesn't seem like much when you put it in perspective..)

It does when you (1) realize the top is being moved lower and lower - especially when you add in inflation values and (2) the American revolution, in part,m was fought over a 2% tax rate - put THAT in perspective. Saying that something is OK because it "used to be worse" is like saying, "It is OK that I beat my wife with an open hand because I used to use a baseball bat." It is silly. Wrong is wrong. Something that is "less wrong" than something else is STILL WRONG!

To put it in perspective, I'm buying a house right now. I have to buy a lower valued house than I likely otherwise could because I now have to pay extra taxes to pay the mortgage of other people too dumb to understand basic loan principles and home budgets. In other words, I have to degrade my level of living because the money my wife and I are earning is being taken from us to pay for a house of perfect strangers that were too dumb to understand a variable interest rate loan. That's the only perspective the real tax payers are seeing from this mess! No, I don't mean people that lost their jobs and now can't pay their mortgage. I feel for those people. I'm talking about the ones that buy a house they can BARELY afford on a low interest rate that is scheduled to increase in a couple of years...and they KNOW they have no serious chance of large increases in pay to go along with the increased monthly payments. I'm talking about people that buy a house so costly they have NO spare change left over, and when gas prices double, they can't afford to pay all their bills because they were too dumb to budget for increased costs, etc. Those people are dumb, and I am sick and tired of working to pay their way for a free ride because I'm not dumb enough to make those mistakes!

It isn't the poor people that lost their jobs expectantly. That can happen to anyone, and real workers may take a lower paying job just to stay off the government dole. Those people have my pity, and they can earn my respect! Those aren't the ones I mean. I'm talking about the ones getting mortgage subsidies from MY tax dollars because they are too dumb to plan while I wasn't. Let Darwin take care of people that can't plan ahead.

 

[Roy Munson]

Those people are dumb, and I am sick and tired of working to pay their way for a free ride because I'm not dumb enough to make those mistakes!

Let Darwin take care of people that can't plan ahead.

I'm no economics expert, and I don't exactly disagree with you, KJ. But who enabled these dumb people to enter into these arrangements in the first place? There was money to be made, and many did so hand over fist. If we're going to reference Darwinism, then we probably shouldn't discount the predators' roles in this.

 

[ForkedTung]

If we're going to reference Darwinism, then we probably shouldn't discount the predators' roles in this.

Neither do I disagree with either of you as well...maybe we could look at the regulations ( or lack thereof) that made this large dungpile possible.

 

[starsevol]

Kyle,
if you get a chance, check out "House of Cards".
It goes into detail.

 

[tom e]

It does when you (1) realize the top is being moved lower and lower - especially when you add in inflation values and (2) the American revolution, in part,m was fought over a 2% tax rate - put THAT in perspective.

But taxation wasn't the issue, the representation was. We are represented, you've just been outvoted.

To put it in perspective, I'm buying a house right now. I have to buy a lower valued house than I likely otherwise could because I now have to pay extra taxes to pay the mortgage of other people too dumb to understand basic loan principles and home budgets. In other words, I have to degrade my level of living because the money my wife and I are earning is being taken from us to pay for a house of perfect strangers that were too dumb to understand a variable interest rate loan. That's the only perspective the real tax payers are seeing from this mess! .

So are you blaming Obama for lax lending under Bush, or are you blaming him for keeping that bank in business that you're getting your loan through? One thing I didn't understand from this though. What is that extra tax you are paying that's covering everybodies mortgages? I'm in real estate AND taxes and have yet to see that one.

And to be fair you probably stand to gain quite a bit by the whole mess personally if you're buying now right? $8000 tax credit, lower purchase price, lower interest rates etc. Depending on the amount of mortgage interest you'll be paying you may even find yourself able itemize that deduction even if you weren't already itemizing deductions. Lots of cities and states are offering even more incentives to get these houses off the market. Weigh all that against the extra tax you'll be paying (if you're really paying more under Obama.. most of us are getting a tax break).

 

[Roy Munson]

A point of clarification: I don't think that everyone who was involved with making the American Dream of home ownership possible to a wider group is evil. Evil (or its root, biblically speaking) played a distinct role, but there were many on both sides who didn't see the danger in the new opportunities...

 

[jazzgeek]

We are represented, you've just been outvoted.

There's a whole LOT of awesome in those seven words.

:cheers:


Dale

 

[tom e]

I wanted to point out the difference more than rub it in though, lol.. I think that's relevent to the point about the Revolution.

I should say though that it was influenced by this: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=224276&title=Tea-Party-Tyranny

 

[Ricky87]

I wanted to point out the difference more than rub it in though, lol.. I think that's relevent to the point about the Revolution.

I should say though that it was influenced by this: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=224276&title=Tea-Party-Tyranny

I thought that segment was funny, too!. "Oh please, that's a metaphorical thumb screw; we actually put thumbs and screwed them". I also thought the sign that lady was holding was funny, in a sad way though; "Move over King Obama & give God back his throne". Wow, that's a brilliant idea, why have we never thought of that before; Give god back his throne?. So simple, yet so effective. Great post earlier, too, by the way. Made me laugh!.

 

[medusacoils]

I think we all need to relax and realize that OBAMA is not the next Messiah! He is just a man! A man that is no different than either, you or I and he will not deliver us from the evil of the "Republicans" or any other party affiliation, for that matter. He will not make all our worries and despairs, disappear over night or at all, for sure! Nor will he, single handily cure any or all diseases or massive financial deficits.

I think that once all you worshipers realize this, the better off we all will be.

Good Luck in any and all of your endeavors!

Wayne

 

[Nova_C]

Is it just me or did KJUN just completely miss what happened during the collapse of sub-prime loans?

Is it stupid to find a better deal? Most of the borrowers weren't told that their sub-prime loan would expire and end up with a skyrocketing interest rate after a few years. When their mortgage rates jump by a double digit percentage you can't really say they were stupid for not budgeting for that.

And Tom E is right - there was a complete credit freeze that the bailout has helped to unlock. The mortgage you're getting wasn't possible only a few short months ago.

And you'll forgive me for not showing any sympathy to someone who can actually afford a home. Many people will never be able to buy a house, your claims that Obama is buying them houses with your money notwithstanding.

 

[KJUN]

But who enabled these dumb people to enter into these arrangements in the first place?

The banks. I agree with you, Roy, and I already blamed the banks (here or in other threads somewhere already) for giving out loans to people they should have KNOWN wouldn't be able to pay those bills in the future. The low interest rates aren't at fault - it's dumb & greedy people on BOTH sides of the bank counter.

Neither do I disagree with either of you as well...maybe we could look at the regulations ( or lack thereof) that made this large dungpile possible.

OK, what you think MORE government intrusion can fix things? Letting a business fail is more instructive than a bail-out!

But taxation wasn't the issue, the representation was. We are represented, you've just been outvoted.

Actually, my post was originally misleading in some ways. Confiscation of arms was actually the spark that started the revolutionary fire - that at some incidents where Americans were killed (even though they DID kinda start the fight) - and not the <2% taxation. Taxation is emphasized because Americans now think money drives EVERYTHING, but that was only one small factor hidden behind MOST of the other factors that really did spark the war.

And to be fair you probably stand to gain quite a bit by the whole mess personally if you're buying now right? $8000 tax credit, lower purchase price, lower interest rates etc. .... Lots of cities and states are offering even more incentives to get these houses off the market. Weigh all that against the extra tax you'll be paying (if you're really paying more under Obama.. most of us are getting a tax break).

You are batting a pretty low average there. Pull the other leg or at LEAST admit how many restrictions are on WHO can get that $8k credit. Plus, who says I'm buying IN a city, and what does any hypothetical state incentive have to do with my problems with federal policy? Also, how the heck does a one year, house-related, tax rebate (if I see one) compensate for YEARS of higher taxes afterward? That's bad math, but I believe it is the same type this administration is doing! PLUS, lower purchase price? Ha! Katrina is still driving values where I'm moving more than the the current federal economy. (Want another little factoid - we aren't having unemployment down here like the NE because we have "real" jobs that don't just depend on moving numbers that represent money on a ledger around from one place to another to generate a "profit" without producing any real product.)

Oh, not that it matters, but I'm not applying for loans with large banks that are high profile bail-out companies. I'm trying hard to just stay with small ones that didn't directly get a bail-out. I Know, I know. They get their money for the loan from 2 giant corps that DID get the bail-out (didn't stop those suicides in upper management, though), so I'm still doing it indirectly. I'm a hypocrite in that way (lol), but there are no other options unless I rent or only buy a <$50k home.......lol. I'm not blind to how the banking system works, but that doesn't mean I have to LIKE it......lol.

There's a whole LOT of awesome in those seven words.

Bread and circuses - that's what has been voted in again. When an administration can buy votes with public dollars, I don't have to like it. If people who are on the government dole weren't allowed to vote, I would agree that this would settle any option for disagreement that think I have. However, I have trouble respecting a vote that is given based on race (my vote had nothing to do with anything so minor) OR on how much money someone expects an administration to TAKE from a tax payer and give someone too lazy to work or too dumb to budget within their means (welfare system). It's like voting on your own pay level at work - that would drive the company (or the country!) out of business pretty fast.

He will not make all our worries and despairs, disappear over night or at all, for sure! Nor will he, single handily cure any or all diseases or massive financial deficits.

I agree, but he CAN make them worse much quickly.....Inflation, confiscation, etc.

Is it stupid to find a better deal? Most of the borrowers weren't told that their sub-prime loan would expire and end up with a skyrocketing interest rate after a few years. When their mortgage rates jump by a double digit percentage you can't really say they were stupid for not budgeting for that.

They were stupid for not reading/understanding the contract or even asking, "what do you mean by a variable interest rate loan?" In other words, I CAN say they were stupid for not budgeting for that.

And Tom E is right - there was a complete credit freeze that the bailout has helped to unlock. The mortgage you're getting wasn't possible only a few short months ago.

To be completely honest, though, the HIGH value of the bail-out also was responsible for the difficulty in people that COULD pay the loan in getting a loan, too. It basically made it so the banks didn't HAVE to give out loans because of the government-driven affluence. You are correct in part, but such an oversimplification can prove anything even if it isn't the whole picture.

And you'll forgive me for not showing any sympathy to someone who can actually afford a home. Many people will never be able to buy a house, your claims that Obama is buying them houses with your money notwithstanding.

Oh, great. In other words because some people CAN and some people are unable, we have to tax those that can and give it to the others. The heart of socialism. I'd be mad, but I believe you might be a Canadian and can't vote in America, so what do I care? LOL. (That's not an insult - I like Canadians, but I only care what American voters think on such issues. If you aren't Canadian, then I just have you confused with someone else. Sorry.)

 

[tsst]

It's starting to look that way. Of course you could always take your blinders off.

WASHINGTON - Making national cable news can be a coup for a freshman congressman — unless the show is the satirical Colbert Report and its anchor calls you "part alligator" while mocking one of your bills.

Such was the fallout when U.S. Rep. Bill Posey, R-Rockledge, introduced legislation last month that would require all presidential candidates to submit a birth certificate when qualifying to run. Posey said the intent was to prevent a repeat of what happened last year, when fringe critics of then-candidate Barack Obama questioned his citizenship.

Instead, the bill fell flat — it has yet to attract a co-sponsor — and Posey took a beating from late-night comedy-show hosts and liberal media, who accused him of kowtowing to extremists in his party.

"I expected there would be some civil debate about it, but it wasn't civil," Posey said. "Just a bunch of name-calling and personal denigration. ... There is no reason to say that I'm the illegitimate grandson of an alligator."



He now says that he has "no reason to question" that Obama — born in Hawaii to an African father and an 18-year-old American mother — is a U.S. citizen. Initially, though, he told the Orlando Sentinel that he couldn't "swear on a stack of Bibles whether he [Obama] is or isn't [an American]."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-asec-posey-040909,0,6201727.story

I don't know anything about this bill but why would it be considered "extremist" to require a birth certificate for the highest office in the country? My daughter was required to provide a birth certificate to get a driver's learning permit .... those extremists at the DMV

Colbert has a good deal to do with this.


Dale

Although I find the Stewart Report and the Jon Cobert show funny at times they tow the left as well as any politician. (grandson of an alligator was funny :spinner It only gets more left when they have Janeane Garofalo on the show. My personal favorite would be to have Steven Stewart and Jon Cobert ringside anounce a cage match between Janeane Garofalo and Ted Nugent with Hillary as guest referee. Now that would be funny!
:roflmao:

So true, I heard little about spending when it was going towards the war. But spend it here to develop technology and create jobs... I'd rather help the good guys live, than make the bad guys die.

Were you in a coma for 8 years? Every liberal on globe was complaining about the war spending.

 

[ForkedTung]

OK, what you think MORE government intrusion can fix things? Letting a business fail is more instructive than a bail-out!

I never said that. Of course regulations may have stopped these predatory lenders ( they're called that for a reason) from

giving out loans to people they should have KNOWN wouldn't be able to pay those bills in the future. The low interest rates aren't at fault - it's dumb & greedy people on BOTH sides of the bank counter.

( as you said in you post above).

I don't know anything about this bill but why would it be considered "extremist" to require a birth certificate for the highest office in the country?

Why do you think no one else will co-sponsor this bill with him? Do you think it's because they're anti-extremists or possibly because they can see the futility, motivation and obvious duplicity behind this "dead horse" bill. It has repeatedly been established and confirmed that Obama is a US citizen, but like the earlier poster and this Rep. they want to continue to make an issue out of a non-issue, been there done that. He has already released a copy of the original, but the issue won't die.

there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/

If you really want to believe he's some alien invader, go for it, nothing will change your mind.