Michael823
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Let's start this way, refer to me as Michael, and Ricky as Ricky, and separate responses and opinions.Right after one more post first.
If Ricky (or Micheal) wanted to keep it on topic, then he would have just answered the question(s) posed many pages back since he should have been simple questions. Instead, misdirection was the key hoping we'd forget that you can't seem to answer the question you accused others of being uninformed about. That is NOT keeping posts relevant to the topic IMO.
My fist post!
You're response to it!
I'm trying to read where I personally defended the healthcare plan, or debated whether you were right or wrong. I had seen on the news that no one has read the plan yet, so I was posing the question in this thread, how people here were so dead set against it. You keep treating it like I'm dodging a question, when my first post stated that I had no answer or understanding what the plan entailed.
Then it got retaliated with a Rickael, which I saw as relatively baiting, but chose to ignore, and when I came back this thread was a full blown milking the system accusation, in which I felt the need to respond to.
Well it sure seemed like baiting to me, but I'll take your word for it.
"I did it because even you two can't even keep track of which one of you said what when or which one is answering something directed towards the other.", how so? I remember exactly what I posted, and can speak for myself, as well as Ricky can. And it doesn't make sense as an explanation either, seeing you quoted me, and I responded.
I keep who is who perfectly straight, it is some of you who cannot. I left this thread after a one sentence post, and when I came back to see what the conversation was, it was directed towards me having Obama give me a free ride like a rich uncle. Maybe if you read my posts individually, you would notice the unfair way in which I became a topic.
Maybe close in thought and format, definitely not identical. But when a topic like this comes up, in which we are accused of milking the system simply because I like to make a little extra money when I can, we will surely both take offense similarly.
From my perspective, this debate was solely fueled by the said accusation, and nothing to do with the health care plan, as I've stated before.
From the accusation of having internet and pets as luxuries, to the round about way of implying we somehow are pretending to be disabled for the Gov't SSI because I have worked low hours to have extra pay. Should I sit on a couch all day to make people feel better about my SSI, I may be disabled and receive SSI but I feel no obligation to limit my physical activity because of it.
I only started getting paid SSI at 18, hardly worth the 18yr ploy of faking using walkers and foot braces until I was 7, or the public criticism of being skinny and sickly, missing out on just about every activity healthy children have like sports, vacations, or just not being ridiculed, having your own friends treat you of less importance. So when someone makes some claim like this is fun for me, and it's a free ride, I want to blow up. This isn't fun, but I make due, I have to live this life and wouldn't want another. That's not because it's all peaches n cream, that's because I came from nothing, and have built a life of my own, and can finally after 21yrs say that life is good. If that's milking the system, I'm sorry.
$20,000 in credit card debt spent on clothes and nights on the town is fine if you work full time, but you make due with $674mo and you somehow are living the life of luxury.
It's all good though, we differ in opinion, this thread got heated, but I'll still accept responsibility where you felt offended. You probably do know much more about the Health Plan than I, and maybe about Obama's administration in general. But my concern was Obama vs McCain Palin, and to me I am still very happy that Obama won.
I think there is a misunderstanding in this statement, for us there is no getting off when we're physically able to do so. This might be where people get so lost, they see it as a substitute while out of work, hear that I have done small jobs and freak. Our disability is APTD, Aid to the Permanently and Totally Disabled. The only time we will not have the disability is when we die, unless there is some scientific miracle in my lifetime. If it sounds as though we would just rather not work, than you are not understanding it properly. I would LOVE a job, and consider myself to be anti-lazy. There are also extenuating circumstances right now that won't allow me any type of job, my mother lost her license 2ys ago, and I must drive her to and from work, store, etc.. Being the only license holder, I must do all of the driving, which doesn't lend me any time to drive far for work. This is why I do jobs with my mother, and it is so great to have her there because we can get alot done as we are both very work and detail oriented. I would have to find a job in town, none of which are office jobs, or non labor intensive.
We are afforded the luxury of the internet, pets, owning our own home, etc... Because we work together as a family, and split everything three ways. Not because Obama makes it rain money over our heads. Not too many people would be willing to do so either, it isn't the easiest thing to be responsible for every trip to the store, work, laundry, errands, and everything in between. It's also not easy sharing everything you have with everyone else, including all of your time.
An example of our "luxuries" would be this. If you see 3 people all living in separate houses, driving separate cars, separate internet, phone TV's etc.. But they were all mediocre, a small TV, dial up internet, an old car, etc.. You wouldn't think it was so nice. But the three of us share so we can afford to have our pets, high speed internet, and own our own property. Yeah it looks nicer, because splitting things three ways provides more quality, but it doesn't mean it's a more luxurious lifestyle. Our mortgage is split, $550 a month, internet split $20 a month, direct TV, $30 a month, etc... All of these things sound nicer, but are also cheaper that individually having $30 dial up, $40 cable, and $800+ a month rent. We are afforded the small joys we have through hard work, and sharing. It's not for everyone, and hardly the luxuries of a free ride.
I never disrespected your take on the plan, and would love to know from someone like you how it might affect someone like me. I think it was a misunderstanding, I don't follow the ins and outs of policies like I should, and can certainly do a better job respecting your opinion from now on.
If that's what it will mean for me I'm with you. It bothers the hell out of me that my mother is just under full time, so can't receive benefits. That should be illegal, she pays taxes, and works almost every day, shouldn't she have proper health care?
