Studies on dog behavior!

[Emily1188]

Thanks for the run down of stuff I already know. I've worked with SA dogs before, but please, do go on. Really? You're supposed to counter condition/desensitize the dog to your routine of leaving? Little ol' me had no idea. *SIGH*

Thankfully, the bark collar doesn't form negative associations with the owner leaving - just with barking.

 

[Michael823]

Well I have missed all the fun and games the last 12 hours, but I will say this. It is not that we disagree with the use of positive reinforcement, what we disagree with is Michael/Ricky's argument that positive reinforcement is the only way to train a dog.

I never said it was the only way to train a dog. I said it was the best method in training a confident, and well behaved dog, as well as the best way to build a relationship built on trust and love, as opposed to fear and intimidation based training methods.

Brent and myself will both agree that positive reinforcement it great and we use it, but we also think that there are other methods of training. If Ricky/Michael would actually read and comprehend what we have said, they would realize that their feet have been in their mouth since their first post on the topic.

This is where you are wrong. I have digested all of your links, posts, etc... and although I still have my doubts about what is the best method, I have learned that you sound educated enough on the proper use of the collar that I can respect your opinion. Ricky is not Michael, as Mike is not Brent. I have yet to see Brent post any consistent ideals on e-collar training, and by the "using the rod" comment, I have a hard time believing he is in check of his emotions enought to not use the e-collar as a means of punishment.

 

[tsst]

I missed all the fun here. :shrugs: I use an invisible fence so I am sure some would condemn me.

 

[Michael823]

Thanks for the run down of stuff I already know. I've worked with SA dogs before, but please, do go on. Really? You're supposed to counter condition/desensitize the dog to your routine of leaving? Little ol' me had no idea. *SIGH*

Thankfully, the bark collar doesn't form negative associations with the owner leaving - just with barking.

Clearly you already did not!

Anxious = barking = shock. Dog learns barking cause shock, and overall stress levels drop back to normal. Dog expressed anxiety some other way.

 

[Emily1188]

Clearly you already did not!

Yes, clearly! :rofl: Because if I do not agree with you, I know nothing. Clearly.

Let's go over this. Bark collar does not treat anxiety, bark collar stops a symptom so owner does not get evicted or have animal control called on them for barking. Bark collar does not create new anxiety.

You can tell me I know nothing when you can use proper operant and classical conditioning terms. :dgrin:

 

[diamondlil]

I never said it was the only way to train a dog. I said it was the best method in training a confident, and well behaved dog, as well as the best way to build a relationship built on trust and love, as opposed to fear and intimidation based training methods.

Perhaps you could improve your stance here by adding 'in my opinion'. As long as anyone on this forum tries to dictate what the other members think, there will be arguments getting in the way of reasoned discussion.

 

[Hypancistrus]

Too much coffee?!?! :roflmao:


D80

I think it's that we currently off-duty teachers have too much time on our hands.

Perhaps you could improve your stance here by adding 'in my opinion'. As long as anyone on this forum tries to dictate what the other members think, there will be arguments getting in the way of reasoned discussion.

Well said!

 

[vetusvates]

Perhaps you could improve your stance here by adding 'in my opinion'. As long as anyone on this forum tries to dictate what the other members think, there will be arguments getting in the way of reasoned discussion.

Janine, that is about the most concise summary in a nutshell I've seen. Rep is coming if I can give it.
Is that attachment a pic of the villagers coming with torches after Dr. Frankenstein and his monster? :laugh:

I think it's that we currently off-duty teachers have too much time on our hands.

Well said!

Lauren, since you are off-duty, I'm interested in your thought on the "Euthanasia" thread. As a teacher, and as a one-day infirm and/or old person. I wrote a paper once,...but alas have no remaining copy of it.

 

[Drizzt80]

Perhaps you could improve your stance here by adding 'in my opinion'.

They could improve their stance by installing one of these:

Because the only tool they're really using right now is one of these:

Personally, I've installed an e-keyboard set to stun if I choose to respond to any more Michael/Ricky/Scott posts.

D80

 

[mike17l]

I never said it was the only way to train a dog. I said it was the best method in training a confident, and well behaved dog, as well as the best way to build a relationship built on trust and love, as opposed to fear and intimidation based training methods.

You clearly read posts and comprehend more than Ricky.

 

[Ricky87]

They could improve their stance by installing one of these:

Personally, I've installed an e-keyboard set to stun if I choose to respond to any more Michael/Ricky/Scott posts.

D80

Ya, I believe that!. You could just leave the thread alone in full awareness that you provide nothing for it, but why not excercize your American right to speak even when you have no idea what your talking about, IMO. You may speak for the intraverted members of the site who can't tolerate someone knowing more about something than you do, but for those who know dogs I think there's a lot to be found in these posts, IMO!. Clearly your not open to suggestion, and have no interest in suggesting any of your own techniques, so I can only wonder why your on a thread for dog behavior problems in the first place?, IMO!!.

As for adding "in my opinion" after everything, if that's a problem then fine; IN MY OPINION!!. I thought it would be known who's opinion it is due to who's screen-name is attached to the post, but if it helps all of my posts are based on my opinions and observations, and if you don't agree than that's your choice!. The only controversy involved comes from those who take the thread in another direction other than "Dog Training", IMO!!!. Quick thanks to Kathy Love, and Ceduke for their insight, as well as some others who have posted observations. You guy's are very rounded people, NJMP (Not just my opinion)!!!.

 

[KJUN]

why not excercize your American right to speak even when you have no idea what your talking about

Most of us can't take it to the level you seem to be able to handle, though.

"Dog Training

I'm glad you left off studies this time.

 

[Ricky87]

Most of us can't take it to the level you seem to be able to handle, though.



I'm glad you left off studies this time.

Well in Ricky's opinion, KJUN just jumps on the thread when their's garbage to fling around. You haven't even mentioned anything about dogs, and your just banking on being the quiet one throwing dirt in the corner hopefully overlooked by the bigger people next to you. Open floor KJUN; enlighten me with any of your views on dog behavior. I would love to think there's more to your posts than stuff like this!!.

 

[diamondlil]

Ya, I believe that!. You could just leave the thread alone in full awareness that you provide nothing for it, but why not excercize your American right to speak even when you have no idea what your talking about, IMO. You may speak for the intraverted members of the site who can't tolerate someone knowing more about something than you do, but for those who know dogs I think there's a lot to be found in these posts, IMO!. Clearly your not open to suggestion, and have no interest in suggesting any of your own techniques, so I can only wonder why your on a thread for dog behavior problems in the first place?, IMO!!.

As for adding "in my opinion" after everything, if that's a problem then fine; IN MY OPINION!!. I thought it would be known who's opinion it is due to who's screen-name is attached to the post, but if it helps all of my posts are based on my opinions and observations, and if you don't agree than that's your choice!. The only controversy involved comes from those who take the thread in another direction other than "Dog Training", IMO!!!. Quick thanks to Kathy Love, and Ceduke for their insight, as well as some others who have posted observations. You guy's are very rounded people, NJMP (Not just my opinion)!!!.

I was pointing out that presenting an opinion as a fact isn't generally well-received on here. Of course you can see who has posted by their username. I believe you are totally missing the point I was making. Facts and opinions are different entities.

 

[tsst]

Ya, I believe that!. You could just leave the thread alone in full awareness that you provide nothing for it, but why not excercize your American right to speak even when you have no idea what your talking about, IMO. You may speak for the intraverted members of the site who can't tolerate someone knowing more about something than you do, but for those who know dogs I think there's a lot to be found in these posts, IMO!. Clearly your not open to suggestion, and have no interest in suggesting any of your own techniques, so I can only wonder why your on a thread for dog behavior problems in the first place?, IMO!!.

As for adding "in my opinion" after everything, if that's a problem then fine; IN MY OPINION!!. I thought it would be known who's opinion it is due to who's screen-name is attached to the post, but if it helps all of my posts are based on my opinions and observations, and if you don't agree than that's your choice!. The only controversy involved comes from those who take the thread in another direction other than "Dog Training", IMO!!!. Quick thanks to Kathy Love, and Ceduke for their insight, as well as some others who have posted observations. You guy's are very rounded people, NJMP (Not just my opinion)!!!.

I think what diamondlil meant was that your posts seem to infer factual absolution that is without question rather than opinion and that is why you are getting some of the responses you are.

 

[KJUN]

Well in Ricky's opinion, KJUN just jumps on the thread when their's garbage to fling around. You haven't even mentioned anything about dogs, and your just banking on being the quiet one throwing dirt in the corner hopefully overlooked by the bigger people next to you. Open floor KJUN; enlighten me with any of your views on dog behavior. I would love to think there's more to your posts than stuff like this!!.

Are you calling yourself garbage that I fling around? That's undeserved, Ricky. Some of your ideas might come across as unrealistic trash, but I still consider you a human being. Of course, that's only my opinion.

I'm still waiting for answers from YOU on questions that I've asked. I want to be like you when I grow up. I figure the first step is to act like you. By that, of course, I mean ignore questions and later claim I answered them. In about 5 posts, I'll say, "I answered everything you asked me." Then, I can be JUST LIKE YOU.

Why should I mention dogs? You already know EVERYTHING. Plus, I think the epinephrine post was relevant (in whichever dog thread it is in). I know it disproved your point, so you ignored it.......but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

 

[Ricky87]

I was pointing out that presenting an opinion as a fact isn't generally well-received on here. Of course you can see who has posted by their username. I believe you are totally missing the point I was making. Facts and opinions are different entities.

I'm sorry if it came across as rude; I apologize, and I hate being told what's right or wrong as much as the next guy. I just thought this thread was going well, and now it's just another banter thread. Either way, I'll try better to express that it is just in opinion, and hopefully that will allow for more of everyone's posts to be better recieved!. There's a lot of great advice I've read from a lot of people so far, including you and your horse training!. :santa:I just wish there wasn't a double standard for some of the CS.com lifers who do that sort of thing all the time!.

 

[Ricky87]

Why should I mention dogs? You already know EVERYTHING. Plus, I think the epinephrine post was relevant (in whichever dog thread it is in). I know it disproved your point, so you ignored it.......but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Repost it and I'll have a look!.

 

[KJUN]

OK, this isn't a "rule," but it should be common sense: If you are having your unsupported ideas attacked on one thread, don't be surprised if they are attacked on a new thread started on almost the exact same topic. Not to lower myself to the level of a high school kid, but, "duh!"

 

[diamondlil]

I'm sorry if it came across as rude; I apologize, and I hate being told what's right or wrong as much as the next guy. I just thought this thread was going well, and now it's just another banter thread. Either way, I'll try better to express that it is just in opinion, and hopefully that will allow for more of everyone's posts to be better recieved!. There's a lot of great advice I've read from a lot of people so far, including you and your horse training!. :santa:I just wish there wasn't a double standard for some of the CS.com lifers who do that sort of thing all the time!.

Thank you for the apology. I try not to sound like I'm telling people what to do, but it seemed to me you were running yourself into a difficult position.
(I run herd on 3 boys of 20, 19 and 17 as well as being in charge of juniors and students at work, as well as quite literally taking charge of life-threatening situations, so I really don't need to get off on being bossy on here)