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Studies on dog behavior!

Michael823 said:
Of course she wouldn't, that is why we decided to introduce them. I use the term dog aggressive loosely, as this is technically what her behavior was called. She was insecure, thus frustrated by the presence of other dogs, which made her bark aggressively.
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"Dog aggression" is such a vague term, and has long frustrated me. There are a few dogs that want to fight any strange dog they see. Then there are dogs that are fearful, anxious, or simply excited about new dogs. Most seem to get lumped into one category, which is simply not a proper umbrella. Anyway, I'm sure your GSD is a dog I'd love to meet and know. Socialization only goes so far, and is as misused as "dog aggression." But positive interactions with other dogs is invaluable, as I'm sure know.
 
Ricky87 said:
This would be something pretty pointless to lie about, and as educated dog owners it would be quite irrelevant to the discussion.
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. . . other than the fact that we have now learned that your dog is being kept in a completely separate household from you . . . and your brother's dog . . . who has been labeled as having dog aggression issues in the past . . .

Thanks for clearing everything up for me though. I think I hear a quack.

D80
 
Ricky87 said:
Maybe I could see the confusion in the "living together", but either that's not how it was stated or you misinterpreted it.
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Yes, I'm wrong then. When someone says they split a mortgage, internet, food, etc. three ways, it is just assumed that they are in the same house.

Ricky87 said:
This would be something pretty pointless to lie about, and as educated dog owners it would be quite irrelevant to the discussion.
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Very true, I may have let the two threads combine in my mind, but since I was a part of neither, I just spoke up here. I apologize, I shouldn't have said anything.
 
By the way, any chance of that family picture yet? I know the camera was handy last night (you said so) and both you and your brother were home (you both posted within minutes of each other) and I'm sure you could have just ran to ma's to get the other dog. Just curious. Mom could even be the one to take it since she can't get out anywhere without you guys. Please? It'd really put the two guys/one guys myth to rest, wouldn't it?

D80
 
elrojo said:
"Dog aggression" is such a vague term, and has long frustrated me. There are a few dogs that want to fight any strange dog they see. Then there are dogs that are fearful, anxious, or simply excited about new dogs. Most seem to get lumped into one category, which is simply not a proper umbrella. Anyway, I'm sure your GSD is a dog I'd love to meet and know. Socialization only goes so far, and is as misused as "dog aggression." But positive interactions with other dogs is invaluable, as I'm sure know.
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actually many proffesionals argue that most, if not all aggression is fear based in one way or another. Baring medical issues. That often why you see it lumped together.

generally...A dog aggressive dog will respond to the same counterconditioning methods as a dog that is fearful of other dogs. Because they are often one of the same. :)
 
SkateFOSKCO said:
Very true, I may have let the two threads combine in my mind, but since I was a part of neither, I just spoke up here. I apologize, I shouldn't have said anything.
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No worries, you just said in a different way, the same thing we have been saying. Which is, we have no way of knowing if these/this guy(s) are telling the truth about anything. Their are so many "coincidences" and "moot points" and inconsistencies, that it is hard for anyone to take either of these guys seriously.
 
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SkateFOSKCO said:
Yes, I'm wrong then. When someone says they split a mortgage, internet, food, etc. three ways, it is just assumed that they are in the same house.
Very true, I may have let the two threads combine in my mind, but since I was a part of neither, I just spoke up here. I apologize, I shouldn't have said anything.
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We just pool our money to make it all work. No problem here and I totally appreciate it FOSKCO!!.

Drizzt80 said:
. . . other than the fact that we have now learned that your dog is being kept in a completely separate household from you . . . and your brother's dog . . . who has been labeled as having dog aggression issues in the past . . .

Thanks for clearing everything up for me though. I think I hear a quack.
D80
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Drizzt80 said:
By the way, any chance of that family picture yet? I know the camera was handy last night (you said so) and both you and your brother were home (you both posted within minutes of each other) and I'm sure you could have just ran to ma's to get the other dog. Just curious. Mom could even be the one to take it since she can't get out anywhere without you guys. Please? It'd really put the two guys/one guys myth to rest, wouldn't it?
D80
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mike17l said:
No worries, you just said in a different way, the same thing we have been saying. Which is, we have no way of knowing if these/this guy(s) are telling the truth about anything. Their are so many "coincidences" and "moot points" and inconsistencies, that it is hard for anyone to either of these guys seriously.
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Criosphynx said:
actually many proffesionals argue that most, if not all aggression is fear based in one way or another. Baring medical issues. That often why you see it lumped together.

generally...A dog aggressive dog will respond to the same counterconditioning methods as a dog that is fearful of other dogs. Because they are often one of the same. :)
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Thank you Criosphere!. I didn't have any food left in my stomach, but here's an extra-special Santa for your intelligence.:santa: I've really have liked your opinions a lot and I'm very glad to read your posts. They're always excellent!!!.
 
Mike17...

since you have a field dog I have a genunine question...


How did you teach a retrieve? Did you have to force fetch or did you use PR and shape it? I know you mentioned that you use PR alot, but back up the finished produce with a correction if "needed"
 
Criosphynx said:
Mike17...

since you have a field dog I have a genunine question...


How did you teach a retrieve? Did you have to force fetch or did you use PR and shape it? I know you mentioned that you use PR alot, but back up the finished produce with a correction if "needed"
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I have not FFed my dogs. I know it can work wonders, but I have never actually tried it. I have not really needed it either. My dogs have such a high desire to please and such a prey drive that I do not use it. One problem that people have when they do not FF, is they over expose a new pup to fetching. They throw the wing or dummy about 10 or 20 times too many, especially at the earlier stages. This leads to the dog getting "bored". If one would limit themselves to only 3 or 4 throws a "session" it will help to prevent boredom and monotony. FFing does work, but in my opinion, is not always needed. Does that answer the question?
 
mike17l said:
I have not FFed my dogs. I know it can work wonders, but I have never actually tried it. I have not really needed it either. My dogs have such a high desire to please and such a prey drive that I do not use it. One problem that people have when they do not FF, is they over expose a new pup to fetching. They throw the wing or dummy about 10 or 20 times too many, especially at the earlier stages. This leads to the dog getting "bored". If one would limit themselves to only 3 or 4 throws a "session" it will help to prevent boredom and monotony. FFing does work, but in my opinion, is not always needed. Does that answer the question?
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It does. Thank you.

My curiosity was mainly why people make the decision to either do it, or not. You have answered similarly to som'one else I've asked ( I unfortunately don't get the opportunity to talk to many bird dog owners)

The other person DID use FF to train his dog because he said he had used the bumper as a toy for a long time and he felt the dog had a long history now of doing it "wrong" so he used it to "Fix" the behavior, since she would no longer do it reliably.

What I don't understand (and this isn't directed at you :) ) is why people take a green pup and imediately teach it to retrieve with a FF without even gauging the dogs interest in the bumper.
 
Criosphynx said:
What I don't understand (and this isn't directed at you :) ) is why people take a green pup and imediately teach it to retrieve with a FF without even gauging the dogs interest in the bumper.
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For the most part, I do not understand it either. But, I have had the opportunity to see field trial labs work. If you ever get the chance to see them, they are amazing. If a dog is destined to be a field trial retriever, I would do it at an early age, but seeing as I am not in that position at all, I do not feel the need to do it.
 
Drizzt80 said:
By the way, any chance of that family picture yet? I know the camera was handy last night (you said so) and both you and your brother were home (you both posted within minutes of each other) and I'm sure you could have just ran to ma's to get the other dog. Just curious. Mom could even be the one to take it since she can't get out anywhere without you guys. Please? It'd really put the two guys/one guys myth to rest, wouldn't it?

D80
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Hit me up on facebook! I really hate that these diversions are necessary, but if it stops the dead horse from becoming harburg!
 
elrojo said:
"Dog aggression" is such a vague term, and has long frustrated me. There are a few dogs that want to fight any strange dog they see. Then there are dogs that are fearful, anxious, or simply excited about new dogs. Most seem to get lumped into one category, which is simply not a proper umbrella. Anyway, I'm sure your GSD is a dog I'd love to meet and know. Socialization only goes so far, and is as misused as "dog aggression." But positive interactions with other dogs is invaluable, as I'm sure know.
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I hear you there, it is too vague of a term. I think if she was a lab/retriever it would've been labeled anxiousness and fear. That is what I loved about my private trainer, she specifically treated her like a dog that was just lost, rather than truly aggressive. It made all the difference, and that is really the only time we got to the root of the problem. The first trainer was really just out to make an example of a GSD, and didn't do a thing to help the real problem.
 
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