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Falsified Data, Lies, & Anthropogenic Global Warming

tom e said:
Well even stick on thermometer technology, trumps the biblical evidence. That may be a bad example.. One degree off is pretty close to being accurate.. ;)
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Yep! It's funny how the zealots embrace the absent logic in Pascal's wager while denying that it may be a good idea to protect the ONLY known habitat of our species (and many others). Praise Jeebus!
 
Drizzt80 said:
Wrap your head around that before trying to dictate expensive, highly questionable global policy.
D80
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But seriously what is wrong with Cars that run with better fuel mileage? or living in cities with Better Air Quality.

Yes, maybe the data is wrong but what if its Right?

I look at it this way. IF we place those policies and we do change the environment and our living standards. In nothing happens, is that so wrong? Isn't that still a win? And yes, lets look at the other end. If it prevents global Warming and the other nasties that are predicted, isn't that another Win?

I look at it as a Win/Win situation and something that should be done.
 
tricksterpup said:
But seriously what is wrong with Cars that run with better fuel mileage? or living in cities with Better Air Quality.

Yes, maybe the data is wrong but what if its Right?

I look at it this way. IF we place those policies and we do change the environment and our living standards. In nothing happens, is that so wrong? Isn't that still a win? And yes, lets look at the other end. If it prevents global Warming and the other nasties that are predicted, isn't that another Win?

I look at it as a Win/Win situation and something that should be done.
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Yep. Exactly, Jim.
 
I just want to also post this video. Its very thought provoking.
I really like it and I just recommend it to everyone.

 
Drizzt80 said:
Do you use a stick on thermometer for your reptile cages or an indoor/outdoor digital thermometer, or something in between? Why not the stick on thermometer?

A local meteorologist working for the National Weather Service explained the temperature "increase" to me as possibly occurring just from the increased accuracy in our measuring equipment.

D80
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Pssst. I use my Galileo Thermometer......what now?..
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~~'Manda
 
Roy Munson said:
Yep! It's funny how the zealots embrace the absent logic in Pascal's wager while denying that it may be a good idea to protect the ONLY known habitat of our species (and many others). Praise Jeebus!
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DYK, thanks Dean. Sense and sensibility are always welcome and warmly embraced. Pascal's Wager is an excellent analogy for our environment and our natural resources.
tricksterpup said:
But seriously what is wrong with Cars that run with better fuel mileage? or living in cities with Better Air Quality.

Yes, maybe the data is wrong but what if its Right?

I look at it this way. IF we place those policies and we do change the environment and our living standards. In nothing happens, is that so wrong? Isn't that still a win? And yes, lets look at the other end. If it prevents global Warming and the other nasties that are predicted, isn't that another Win?

I look at it as a Win/Win situation and something that should be done.
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And thank you, Jim, for putting it in practical terms for us all.
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I actually thought this thread would inspire more input.
Incidentally, or FWIW, beneath all my opinions, sarcasm, irony, rhetoric, and silliness, etc.,....is an intrinsic part of my being that boils up inside against any and all extremism and sheep-followism. The point, no I am not back-pedaling, of the thread was not to satisfy the lazy by proving the global warming proponents to be wrong. It was to give the blind, doom-preaching, sheep of the far-left pause for thought. A population that overlaps greatly with many in a vast heard of blind voting sheep in the last presidential election. Many of whom, no doubt, and according to the news, are realizing that "Change" is a word more easily said....than a Revolution is to be accomplished.
If I 'could not be' a libertarian, I would probably be a left-leaning liberal, I guess.
But not a "Yes Man" to every Tom, Dick, or Harry of the season....that ends up in the spotlight.
It disturbs me to be standing on the metaphorical corner of the crossroads, and to watch alternate vehicular stampedes and traffic jams of hordes of people who want to be led, whether consciously or subconsciously or unconsciously, by 'father/messiah figures' of the far left OR the far right.
Finding the 'closest-approximation-hayride', and climbing aboard, into the warm cozy hay....fills me with sorrow and horror.
Thinking things out, or through, for one's self...is IMHO a responsibility, to one's self.

Dean, you are an inspiration (as I have grown accustomed to). You too, Jim.
 
My view is that the current rate of climate change fits in with previous patterns of glacial/non-glacial periods that could not have been influenced by humans (because we didn't exist for most of them). We're still well within the boundaries of the many warming periods that the planet has experienced before.

However, there's no denying that the climate IS changing. The human factor is pretty much irrelevant - the climate was always going to change in the way it is now, carbon emissions or no. It has never remained static. Homo sapiens were always going to have to deal with rising sea levels and changing rainfall patterns.

Having said that, I don't see what's wrong with starting the adaptation process now.

Yes, the seas will rise and we'll need to fit into smaller landmasses. Yes, parts of the world will get hotter and parts will get colder. What crops we can grow, and how/where we can grow them will change. How much fossil fuel we have left and have access to, will decrease. We need to look more to sustainable power sources [Handy Hint: Nuclear power stations on the coast - probably not a good idea. Rising sea levels? Yes? I'm talking to you, British politicians. Duh!].

At this stage of the discussion, I don't believe that human action is having a significant effect on the climate changing, given that it was always going to happen pretty much this way. WHY climate change is happening is pretty much of a moot point; if all human-sourced carbon emissions stopped tomorrow, the climate would carry on changing. But I certainly believe that the type of adaptations we're being asked to make, will be vital to our continuation on the planet.

To be honest, the Earth has proved pretty adaptable so far. Heck, it survived another planet smashing into it. Dominant species have come and gone before, the climate has changed before and far more dramatically than we're experiencing. It's just how/whether a species is able to adapt, that determines whether they survive. The Earth will carry on spinning, with or without us. It's only humanity that sees the extinction of humanity as a significant global event. The bottom line is that if we don't change, we'll just become extinct sooner than expected.

Evolution is an ongoing process. Homo sapiens isn't the end point or logical conclusion of evolution. It's just a small blip on a continuum that will only be halted when the sun goes nova in 5 billion years time, and all of this (*waves arms expansively*) boils away into space dust so that the whole glorious, miraculous cycle can begin again.

Be responsible. Be prepared to change. Be aware that resources we take for granted may not be available to us for much longer. Both in personal terms and in species terms, we're here for so very short a time. Make every minute precious.
 
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Our politicians building power stations on the coast makes you wonder if behind the scenes they know more than they let on about global warming or the lack of.

I agree totally with all Bitsy says here. It can't hurt us to stop raping the planet, but in the end the planet's going to do what ever the hell it wants. It's in the interests of governments worldwide to have us believe the global warming stuff, as a scared and focussed populace is easier to control.

I used to mock conspiracy theorists, but recently having discovered government admissions that the UK immigration policy is deliberately structured to protect the incumbent government, and that children in the 50's were told that their still living parents were dead, so the kids could be shipped off as orphans to build the future for Australia, I put nothing past this New World Order.
 
It's in the interests of governments worldwide to have us believe the global warming stuff, as a scared and focussed populace is easier to control.
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Very good point.

My generation grew up believing the Commies were about to nuke us any second - and I'm sure the Commies were told the same thing about us. I was taught how to build a makeshift (read "useless") fallout shelter in school in 1981. Once the Iron Curtain fell, our beloved leaders had to find another way of controlling us.

Now that Al Qaeda has proved a bit of a dead end, climate change is the next best thing - until China gets uppity.
 
bitsy said:
Be responsible. Be prepared to change. Be aware that resources we take for granted may not be available to us for much longer. Both in personal terms and in species terms, we're here for so very short a time. Make every minute precious.
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To repeat myself, then what is so wrong with cleaning up our house? Everyone is so flipping upset with the Global Warming this and that. IF this new trend causes us to use more recycle materials, waste less food and water. Create better yielding crops in drought conditions that do not rape the land, or just drive better vehicles? What is the problem with this?

We have always been given scenes of a Utopia of the perfect world. Clean Air, flying cars and just a healthy environment and cities, would you rather live in that world or the one in Blade Runner?

It just amazes me how people PISS and MOAN about something that is going to be good for all of US in the end. Stop thinking of yourself but think of your Children and their children, its time we stop being selfish.

And yes, if we Die tomorrow or in a 1000 years from now, the earth will move on, in about 30-40 million years a new species will become the new dominant one on this planet. Earth will be pristine again and nothing will ever think about the human race again only in the Fossil Record.
 
Drizzt80 said:
Wrap your head around that before trying to dictate expensive, highly questionable global policy.
D80
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I know, for a fact, that I definitely, without question need to purchase bread, milk, cereal, and some hamburger today for my family as well as find a way to pay for my wife's recent need to visit the chiropractor.

On top of that I am being forced to purchase "energy saving" light bulbs that are more expensive and give off less light in my house as well as sort my garbage and recycle items, as dictated by the city, while paying more for this recycling service for an idea that may save the planet from an event that may be caused by humans or just may have absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Maybe I'm a greedy ass for wanting to pay for needs instead of some unscientific ideal that politicians can't agree on because they have scientists in their back pocket. Color me bad. I'm all for picking up trash and not littering and getting better gas mileage and saving money, but not at the expense of being politically & economically raped in the process.

D80
 
kathylove said:
They sound about as responsible as the "scientists" who put out the paper showing how Burmese pythons will blanket 1/3 of the US if we don't pass more legislation, and BTW, give a few million to those scientists to study the problem!

It is a shame that these ethical problems taint ALL of science. I USED to hold scientists in high esteem, and thought that MOST of them had chosen scientific careers to find TRUTH, not to justify some bias, and to find proof of only what they want to find.

I am sure that there are still many ethical scientists in the world. But because of the actions and agenda justifications that I am aware of, I now am much more wary of believing ANY of them. It is up to the responsible scientists to police their own ranks if they want to save the credibility of their profession. If they keep this up, I will place them right up there on the "pedestal" with lawyers and politicians!
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Everyone's gotta eat. There's more money in some bull**** conspiracy "science" than there likely is in the real landmark innovations people need today. And then the realllly neat stuff is held back by ethical concerns, public misunderstanding, and general distaste for some ideas (ex: genetically modified crops, stem cell research, cloning).
 
bitsy said:
Very good point.

My generation grew up believing the Commies were about to nuke us any second - and I'm sure the Commies were told the same thing about us. I was taught how to build a makeshift (read "useless") fallout shelter in school in 1981. Once the Iron Curtain fell, our beloved leaders had to find another way of controlling us.

Now that Al Qaeda has proved a bit of a dead end, climate change is the next best thing - until China gets uppity.
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"Duck and cover!" lol
 
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