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What type of corn is this ??

Stephen29 said:
First off it was fun reading all the diffrent guesses. Some of you guessed Ultra as one of the ingredients, and I suppose the ones of you that did were pretty close. What I purchased was an Ultramel het Caramel , and the snake in the first pic was what I received. I was expecting an animal with more bright oranges and of course some reds. The above animal has NO REDS. And of course , I thought the eyes would show hints of the Amel gene. Which the above animal definetely does not......
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Woohoo! I got the het part right!! What do I win? :sidestep::nyah:
 
Well.. I see something that has a similair appearance to an ultramel.. I suspect the breeder you bought it from has not posted here in a long time, and that animals can be traced back to Susan Hardy Stock..


Although, I could be wrong..


Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
TandJ said:
Well.. I see something that has a similair appearance to an ultramel.. I suspect the breeder you bought it from has not posted here in a long time, and that animals can be traced back to Susan Hardy Stock..


Although, I could be wrong..


Regards.. Tim of T and J
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Are you saying you see something in the animal that I purchased that reminds you of an Ultramel ? If so,what exactly would that be. Just wanting to know. Also, I'm not familiar w/ Susan Hardy ? How is she exactly.

Thanks,

Stephen
 
I might hazard a guess as to a possible reason why you suspect something might be amiss. As many breeders will tell you, distinguishing homozygous ultras from ultramels in a clutch from, say, an ultramel X ultramel pairing, can be difficult and it is always best to label something with caution. It will be interesting to see if you have an ultramel or a homozygous ultra when you get your breeding trial results. And you really can't judge how any of the hypo morphs will look as an adult by how they look as hatchlings. I'll bet your ultramel from Jeff looks more like the adult in question than like it does now in about 2 years.
 
Susan said:
I might hazard a guess as to a possible reason why you suspect something might be amiss. As many breeders will tell you, distinguishing homozygous ultras from ultramels in a clutch from, say, an ultramel X ultramel pairing, can be difficult and it is always best to label something with caution. It will be interesting to see if you have an ultramel or a homozygous ultra when you get your breeding trial results. And you really can't judge how any of the hypo morphs will look as an adult by how they look as hatchlings. I'll bet your ultramel from Jeff looks more like the adult in question than like it does now in about 2 years.
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So, if I breed the animal in question to an Amel, and lets say I get amels out of that clutch . Does that prove tht it's an Ultramel ? Would eye color on the snake I got from Jeff change as well overtime ? Thanks for the help.
 
Are you saying you see something in the animal that I purchased that reminds you of an Ultramel ? If so,what exactly would that be. Just wanting to know. Also, I'm not familiar w/ Susan Hardy ? How is she exactly.
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Is it ultramel? Probably, but it reminds me a a particular line, that has an odd appearance IMHO.. I can't explain it any better than that.. The one you posted looks like the ones Susan Hardy produced years ago.. Though she is not into corns any more, they just had a distinguished appearance about them.. They were also sold as Rusty corns in these necks of the woods.. *shrugs*

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
Stephen29 said:
So, if I breed the animal in question to an Amel, and lets say I get amels out of that clutch . Does that prove tht it's an Ultramel ? Would eye color on the snake I got from Jeff change as well overtime ? Thanks for the help.
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If you get amels and what appear to be hypo-type hatchlings (like you got from Jeff), then I would say you have proven it to be an ultramel. However, if you breed it to an amel (that must not be het for any other type of hypo - very important when testing this snake) and get all hatchlings like you got from Jeff, then I would say it's an ultra and all the babies are ultramels.

And yes, it's a possibility that the eye color will change on the one you got from Jeff. Most hatchling eye color changes as they grow anyway, but for an ultramel, it wouldn't surprise me for it to get darker with ege, but never really become black. How does the eye color of the snake in question look under various light situations? Could it be something other than stark black but just appear that way due to the light? Have you searched for other photos of adult ultramels to give you an idea of the variation in them?
 
One thing I want to bring up with the snake in question; "And professionals correct me if I am wrong", but I hear a lot about some Het traits having some visual markers some times. I have heard in a couple of conversations that Caramel seems to make a snake show a little more yellow when only in Het form. That may be something to this snake that I dont think has been addressed. What does everyone else think?
 
Stephen29 said:
ample can be so dark they could probably pass as Normals sometimes. But If I order an Animal that has Amel in a Homozygous from , Should I not SEE THAT ??
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Ultramel does *not* have Amel in a homozygous form.

Ultramel is by definition het ultra, het amel.

I have seen an adult ultramel male who has dark pupils that only appear ruby in very bright lighting.

Yours looks quite a lot like the "T-positive" snakes that are being sold over here that I am *personally* convinced are ultramels (having seen four in person, two in a shop and two in my hands when I was sexing them for someone), and half of which looked like recent Obsoleta Ratsnake crosses.

If it's het caramel, that may explain the high yellow colouration.
 
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