• Hello!

    Either you have not registered on this site yet, or you are registered but have not logged in. In either case, you will not be able to use the full functionality of this site until you have registered, and then logged in after your registration has been approved.

    Registration is FREE, so please register so you can participate instead of remaining a lurker....

    Please be certain that the location field is correctly filled out when you register. All registrations that appear to be bogus will be rejected. Which means that if your location field does NOT match the actual location of your registration IP address, then your registration will be rejected.

    Sorry about the strictness of this requirement, but it is necessary to block spammers and scammers at the door as much as possible.

Elemental Exotic's possible 2015 corn pairings.

Little number 11, the one that didn't absorb it's yolk, is 3.3 grams. It's been named Pipsqueak and shed last night. It also ate a pinky head!! Took awhile but it did finally eat.

Here is Pip from this morning with a nice little lump in the belly.

DSC_3645_zpszxcnbq3d.jpg


DSC_3646_zpsbidmnmku.jpg


DSC_3647_zpsxbtwoqwb.jpg
 
I'm so glad Lars pointed me in the direction of this thread.

Hi! I produced Max and I'm so happy for you! Of course I'm sad that my holdback sibling is now probably not the super I was hoping to keep, but oh well. You got one and I produced it, so I'm still pretty stoked about that.

Congrats on Max and all his babies! And yes, he is/was (obviously was) 66% poss. het caramel. You proved him out, though.

YAY!
 
Isn't Pip just cute?! It's eaten twice now and I took some not great outdoor pictures of Pip next to a nickel for size reference.

DSC_3711_zpsrv28copu.jpg


DSC_3712_zpskwd0klpm.jpg


DSC_3713_zpsozh5w09y.jpg


DSC_3714_zpse5m7xgsc.jpg


DSC_3715_zps5ovz9obw.jpg


DSC_3716_zpsemimlw4t.jpg
 
Just fed the last group from Tavia's clutch and they all ate! Now at 10 out of 12 eating.
 
fyrefocks said:
I'm so glad Lars pointed me in the direction of this thread.

Hi! I produced Max and I'm so happy for you! Of course I'm sad that my holdback sibling is now probably not the super I was hoping to keep, but oh well. You got one and I produced it, so I'm still pretty stoked about that.

Congrats on Max and all his babies! And yes, he is/was (obviously was) 66% poss. het caramel. You proved him out, though.

YAY!
Click to expand...

I'm very happy with Max, so thanks to you too!

Yeah, I'd known he was poss het Caramel but had been thinking he was 100% het Motley, not 66%, for some reason. Super jazzed at how that turned out though, since I'd have taken the Caramel het over the het Motley in a heartbeat if it had been up to me.
 
In case you don't already have the information, Max's parents were both tesseras ph amel, caramel, motley. They were produced by Don and we (Lars and I) got the parents, Lars the male and me the female, from John of Colorado Corns. Lars loaned me his male who didn't prove his amel prior to the loan. I only bred my female once before selling her, so I never confirmed her ph amel at all.

The pairing produced 6 babies. 3 were tessera, 2 of which (Max included) looked like run of the mill tesseras, and one that looked different. Don advised me to keep the different one as he felt it stood the best of being the super, if there was to be a super from these babies. Oops. I also got 2 motleys and a normal pattered, I think. Could have been the other way with that ratio of non tesseras. And the babies were all wild type or caramel in color.

I kept for myself a caramel tessera male that I now think is probably also a motley since it isn't a homo/super/whatever you call it. But next year I hope to find out.
 
Nate, I'd be interested to see pictures of Max's sibling you held back, if you have any?
 
Pipsqueak, the little Caramel Tessera that failed to absorb the yolk, is now at 4.5 grams, up from 3.3 at hatching. Checked his gender today too and he is a male. Gives us 2.10 for the Tessera clutch.
Tavia's clutch ended up 9.3.
 
Last edited:
Thanks!

It's definitely been a mixed bag! Super excited that Max proved his Caramel het and is almost certainly a Super Tess! Definitely the highlight of the year so far.

Unfortunately Murphy wasn't all kind. Was majorly bummed about it, didn't say earlier. The big middle clump of eggs in Tavia's clutch were also all DIEs, two even pipped and then died for some reason, they were near term and not malformed that I could see. Also not having good luck with my African House snake eggs/hatchlings. Thinking about not breeding them again ...

At least we are 22 out of 23 corns eating, only got one stubborn non eater. Though Tavia's babies aren't as good of eaters so far as the Tessera clutch, some aren't eating consistently but at least most are eating some of the time. And all of the coxi have eaten too. Nearly all of them are getting offered food today, so fingers crossed!
 
Tavia said:
Thank you!

Said elsewhere, but don't remember if I said here. Final tally was 6 Classic Tessera and 6 Caramel Tessera. So nearly sure that Max is in fact a homo Tessera and he proved his 66% het Caramel. And I was misremembering on his het Motley, I'd been thinking it was 100% for some reason but it's 66% and based on this clutch, probably not there. So all in all, I'm super jazzed by this clutch!
Unfortunately the last 2 eggs kind of dimmed that a bit, one was a pretty near full term Classic Tessera DIE with nothing I could see wrong with it and the other one, a Caramel Tessera, failed to absorb it's yolk. It seems to be doing well so far though, although quite small. So fingers crossed it keeps going strong!
Click to expand...

I cannot believe I missed this!! I remember seeing the initial babies, but somehow didn't follow upon it!

This helps prove my point that there are more out there!!

I am so happy for you!!! :)

So how many eggs total in Max's clutch, and how many went full term?
 
There were 14 total in his clutch with Rhiannon, 2 duds, 12 eggs that went nearly full term. One was DIE but fully formed and a Classic Tessera. One baby, Pipsqueak, failed to absorb it's yolk, ate great 6 or 7 times, refused once, ate next time, regurged a day later and died the day after, which really sucked. I'd been braced for him not to make it for awhile after he'd hatched and was just starting to think he was pretty much out of the woods. Ended up with 2 males and 9 females from this clutch. Currently there are only 10 living babies but they are all very healthy, so happy about that!

The pairing with Fiona didn't produce anything, though he tried pretty hard with her.

After this clutch hatched and there was a good possibility that he was a Super, I tried pairing him with Stormy, who I wasn't originally going to breed this year. But they had no interest in each other. I then paired Stormy with Vash, who she successfully mated with last year and there was no interest there either, so think we just missed the timing for her.

Max really got around this year, poor tapped out boy! I then loaned him out to a breeder friend we'd done a loan with before and he paired him with two of his females, for their second clutches of the year, I guess these girls are pretty good double clutchers. However, he was apparently a very lazy bum that was only interested in eating while there. They both laid clutches but they were mostly duds with only a few good ones between them. So guess we shall have to see what hatches out of them. I'd have been happier if it had been those two girl's first clutch of the season, since the second clutches might be retained sperm and that will contaminate our results a bit unless every one of the few good eggs hatches Tessera, unfortunately it won't be obvious which is the sire if they are not Tessera.
 
Tavia said:
There were 14 total in his clutch with Rhiannon, 2 duds, 12 eggs that went nearly full term. One was DIE but fully formed and a Classic Tessera. One baby, Pipsqueak, failed to absorb it's yolk, ate great 6 or 7 times, refused once, ate next time, regurged a day later and died the day after, which really sucked. I'd been braced for him not to make it for awhile after he'd hatched and was just starting to think he was pretty much out of the woods. Ended up with 2 males and 9 females from this clutch. Currently there are only 10 living babies but they are all very healthy, so happy about that!

The pairing with Fiona didn't produce anything, though he tried pretty hard with her.

After this clutch hatched and there was a good possibility that he was a Super, I tried pairing him with Stormy, who I wasn't originally going to breed this year. But they had no interest in each other. I then paired Stormy with Vash, who she successfully mated with last year and there was no interest there either, so think we just missed the timing for her.

Max really got around this year, poor tapped out boy! I then loaned him out to a breeder friend we'd done a loan with before and he paired him with two of his females, for their second clutches of the year, I guess these girls are pretty good double clutchers. However, he was apparently a very lazy bum that was only interested in eating while there. They both laid clutches but they were mostly duds with only a few good ones between them. So guess we shall have to see what hatches out of them. I'd have been happier if it had been those two girl's first clutch of the season, since the second clutches might be retained sperm and that will contaminate our results a bit unless every one of the few good eggs hatches Tessera, unfortunately it won't be obvious which is the sire if they are not Tessera.
Click to expand...

So out of 14, essentially, 10 made it, including the one DIE and the one hat ended up dying, correct?

I'm trying to rule out if the Super form in itself creates genetic problems that would cause DIE babies.

My clutch this year is my first Tessera X Tessera, but it won;t be my last. I ended up with 19/19 good eggs. I will be keeping an eye on one of the babies, Flint, especially after what you posted about Pipsqueak. Flint had the small belly opening, and it took a couple days to close up, but it did, and he has eaten 3 meals consecutively. I am feeding babies again tonight.
 
Right. I'm inclined to think that the DIE was either some kind of incubation malfunction or maybe the egg shells were too hard?? Not really sure but the other corn clutch I had incubating at the same time, that was completely unrelated, also ended up with 5 very late term DIEs, a number of which even pipped but never emerged. When I cut them open, I saw nothing obviously wrong with them, so quite puzzled by that! That unrelated clutch hatched about 2 weeks after the Tesseras.
 
Thanks for the info! I'm assuming you will be doing more pairings with Max. :)
Would you mind posting any results in THIS thread?

There is still much to learn, and I am hoping that a number of us can help provide more information on the Tessera gene.
 
Oh, yeah! Will definitely be pairing Max up again next year, not totally sure with who all but at least 1 to 4 pairings. I'll be sure to update this post with what we get.
 
MysticExotics said:
So out of 14, essentially, 10 made it, including the one DIE and the one hat ended up dying, correct?

I'm trying to rule out if the Super form in itself creates genetic problems that would cause DIE babies.
Click to expand...

I could see how being homozygous tessera might somehow increase the odds of DIE if the baby is homozygous, but I can't think of any way that having a super tessera parent would make an embryo more likely to die, if the embryo is only carrying one copy of the tessera allele, as was the case here. The only difference between the gametes of a tessera and super tessera is that all the super tessera gametes contain a tessera allele, instead of just half of them, so there shouldn't be any way that being homozygous tessera could effect the mortality of offspring, unless those offspring are super tessera and somehow two copies of tessera sometimes has some sort of deleterious effect.

But if you meant you were trying to see if homozygous tessera babies are more likely to die in the egg, then ignore what I just said :laugh:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top