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67Temp's 2023 pairings
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Old 03-13-2023, 02:41 PM   #1
67Temp's 2023 pairings

2022 wasn't a great year for us so halfway through burmation we decided we were going to take a year off and just enjoy our animals. We had brumated planned pairs together but they are now separated. We got a surprise clutch of 15 from a first time mom. Pairing should be super masque diffused honey Miami het cinder x masque honey Miami het diffused ph cinder. I'm hoping to hold back a super masque diffused caramel shatter Miami.

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Old 03-14-2023, 05:40 AM   #2
Interesting. Do you always brumate planned pairs together? I've heard people doing that with some Old World Rats but I've never heard it discussed in corn snakes.
Old 03-14-2023, 07:09 AM   #3
This was my first year trying it with corns. You just need to account for the extra water consumption. I know some others that do it or will co-brumate 3-4 females. I wouldn't do it with kings. My bairds, black house, natrix and japanese rats are co-habbed year round even in brumation.
Old 03-14-2023, 01:22 PM   #4
Do you co-brumate pairs with the assumption that breeding commonly takes place during this time? I know this is the thought when breeders co-brumate things like Rhyno rat snakes.
What is the purpose of brumating females together? Space considerations? I know Crotalus and Thamnophis are commonly found in hibernaculums together. Do we find that in wild corns as well?
I love hearing about about other keepers' husbandry methods. There is always a lot to learn.
Old 03-14-2023, 02:32 PM   #5
For me I don't typically play who's the daddy. I had pairs figured out early last year. If a pair doesn't go then they don't go. I mostly did co-brumation to save space and make it easier to do maintenance on them while they were down. I wasn't fully expecting them to breed but the sire is very experienced. With virgin females I find sometimes they will cycle or partly cycle just as they are going into brumation. I know some carpet pythons will breed while in brumation.
Old 04-13-2023, 09:36 PM   #6
Interesting. That's a lovely girl with your unexpected eggs. I hope you get that combo holdback you are hoping to hit.

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Old 04-16-2023, 06:38 PM   #7
She's lovely! I can't wait to see her offspring.


Old 04-19-2023, 12:30 PM   #8
Thank you Caryl and SnakeCreations!

So... a bunch of my girls didn't want to cooperate. I'm at just over 100 eggs for this "year off". Some laid full clutches, while others were mostly slugs but had 3-7 viable looking eggs. One of the females hasn't been near a male in over 2 years.
Old 04-21-2023, 09:54 PM   #9
Originally Posted by 67temp View Post
One of the females hasn't been near a male in over 2 years.
How can breeders ever be truly sure of what a pairing will deliver with snakes who have previously been bred? Seems like the females are always ready for a rainy day.

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Old 04-21-2023, 10:24 PM   #10
Just from what I've seen newer sperm is more potent than older retained sperm. I also try to plan my pairings accordingly so that it's easy to identify who the sire is. Example: I have a snow super tessera het stripe. She was previously paired with an amel het anery motley. Those babies will be amels and snows. If she throws anerys and snows there is a different sire.

Granted there is still the chance of a dual sired clutch. You have to wonder if so many hets that don't prove out are just retained sperm.

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