Lavender/Anery 'A'?

These two are from a Snow het Lav and an anery 'A' het Lav. There were many normal Looking anery 'A's in the clutch but then there were these two.

Aren't those pretty much what Lavs look like as babies? Although I guess they do look more gray than "mocha."

I forget how Anery A and Lavender interact, but is it possible that these two are homozygous for both traits?

They do look very Lavender like, but with no orangish cast to them.

I don't think it has really been proven yet just how Lav and anery A react when expressed in one animal. I think they are Lav and anery A.

Clint Boyer said:

I don't think it has really been proven yet just how Lav and anery A react when expressed in one animal. I think they are Lav and anery A.

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I have a trio of anery babies from Jeremy (snakepimp.com) that came from a lavender x ghost breeding. Since the whole clutch was anery, that told him that his male lav was actually homozygous for anery as well, and the lav must mask the anery.

I asked that question here before and Rich Z. said that in his trial breedings so far lavender seemed to mask anery A. He had futher test breedings going on this year so maybe he will chime in here. Would be intresting to here his results.

wow Clint, those two sure stand out! I've got a male lav and a female anery het. lav, but it will be a couple of years.

Cat,
They are really nice looking, they are part of a project I sent to The Lazy Slither Ranch. I didn't have enough room to house them all so Doug and Jeff took them on as a project. Being unfamiliar with the Lavenders, Doug and Jeff were unsure as to what these things were. They were wholesaling the entire clutch but wanted my opinion on just what these were if not odd anerys. I thought they looked remarkably like my odd lav from last year.

This one is from Lavs het amel, anery 'A' and possible het anery 'B' so I know it's a Lav. I tried this combo again this year but it was a bust. I double clutched the female with an amel het Lav, anery 'A' male and got a couple anery 'A's and one Opal looking hatchling. (one of the anery's is one eyed). I've got other project snakes from this line coming up so hopfully I'll have better fertility with that bunch.

Keep updates on what those weird ones turn into. Should be interesting!

This is last years girl. Her dad is my avatar just to the right. You can see the lack of orange pigment compared to him.

Interesting! She looks like she could be an anery lavendar? Is that possible?

I don't know but I like 'em!

Man o' man Clint, those are glossy snakes! Are you hand waxing them? Maybe greasin' up like little piggies at a County Fair?? :roflmao:

Clint Boyer said:

They do look very Lavender like, but with no orangish cast to them.

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Clint Boyer said:

This is last years girl. Her dad is my avatar just to the right. You can see the lack of orange pigment compared to him.

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So, does that mean that the majority of lavs have orange pigment to them, or is it still pretty easy to come by those that have no orange? The reason I ask is I don't care for those that have the orange while I love those that are don't have orange. It would definitely suck if I wanted too long to get some only to find those with orange on them. It seems like everyone but me loves this orange color and seems to be trying to excentuate it...the total opposite of what I would want.

Amanda,
I have very limited experience with Lavs. The yearling female hatched with one other clutchmate that showed alot of orange (it did not survive). I can't really say for sure but my female Lav shows much less orange then my male.
I'd say that if you really don't want any orange to develope and you're buying hatchlings, you might just want a Lav/anery.

This girl is from an anery to anery both het for amel and lavender. A little different looking than any other lavenders I have hatched. I am going to grow them up and see what they look like.

Hi Clint

I am with you. I think that some of the Homo Anery A and Lav have a different look than Lavenders. Even thought they look similar, there is just something different enough about them that the “masking” theory of Lavender over Anery A is questionable.

People have always said that Amel masks Hypo and assumed that Amel would mask Lava. I am not so sure that amel completely masks hypo and I am sure that it does not mask Lava. The problem I see, is that Lavenders, Anery A, Hypo, Lava and Amels can all vary, so it could be very difficult to tell which are double homo and which are just a variation of the single homo morph trait.


I have hatched out a couple corns from hets that are carrying the Anery A and Lavender gene that look very similar to your suspected Homo Anery A and Lav Corns. They look very different than their Anery A and Lavender siblings.

The photos attached are of a “Lavender” Motley that I hatched out of hets for Snow Lavender Motley. I hatched out two Lavender Motleys and the other one looked very much like an every day Lavender Motley, if there is such a thing, but this one looks very different. He almost looks like a Ghost Motley, but can not be. The most likely, and very possible conclusion, is that he is actually an Anery A Lavender Motley. The Motley gene is having its lightening effect, but it is very similar to your suspects. They do seem to be missing something. Call it orange or what ever, but they are missing something. They have a “flat” look to them, like the difference between flat paint and glossy paint.

I guess I can add this one to my “ODD Lavender group which I only have theories for and no definite answers for yet. My theory is that this ODD Lavender is Homo for Anery A, Lavender and Motley.

I had the same results of breeding hets for anery, lav, motley and hadn't considered that they were anery lav motleys, just light lavender mots. I like that theory Joe, maybe in a few years we will have an answer.

Getting packed for the Mid Atlantic Show and trying to boogie out of here before Ivan makes landfall, so this will have to be short.

Here's a pic of the results of one of my clutches from Anerythristics het Lavender:


To give another view of the variance in Lavenders, here's a clutch of straight Lavenders where evidently there is also Amelanism thrown into the mix as well:



Although there is quite a bit of difference in the appearance of the babies, when they all reach maturity you would be hard pressed to tell which ones were which as babies. But when you throw Amelanism into the mix to create Opals, it appears that the pinker ones from from the more oranger colored babies as normals. The Opals from the more grayer looking examples can turn out looking pretty much like Snows or even Blizzards.

Then when you add Hypomelanism and Motley into the mix, things get even hairier.

But so far, from what I have seen, Anerythrism appears to be dominated by Lavender. Unless you thrown Amelanism into the mix, which then seems to allow Anerythrism to dominate over Lavender.

More later when I have more time.......