The Kinky Girl Thread

Now that I have your attention..... get your mind out of the gutter and take a look at this little female snake I hatched. She is het for caramel, has perfect stripes, and I am totally tempted to keep her as a future breeder, but she has a little kink I am concerned about. I doubt that the kink is genetic. Her egg was near the top of the pile in a taller container and probably a little to close to the heat element of the incubator. She also had a brother from her clutch with a more serious kink. In one of my other threads, some of you guys mentioned that some snake kinks will become unnoticible over time. Does anyone else have experience with that?

I imagine, whether I breed her or not, she will someday lay eggs, and my concern is whether that this little kink might cause problems with passing eggs? Have any of you ever bred a kinked female corn? Do they have any trouble passing their eggs around the kinked area? Would this snake probably do okay? Let me know what you think.

Can't give you any help with your question but I can tell you she is purdy!

wendhend said:

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Now that I have your attention..... get your mind out of the gutter and take a look at this little female snake I hatched. She is het for caramel, has perfect stripes, and I am totally tempted to keep her as a future breeder, but she has a little kink I am concerned about. I doubt that the kink is genetic. Her egg was near the top of the pile in a taller container and probably a little to close to the heat element of the incubator. She also had a brother from her clutch with a more serious kink. In one of my other threads, some of you guys mentioned that some snake kinks will become unnoticible over time. Does anyone else have experience with that?

I imagine, whether I breed her or not, she will someday lay eggs, and my concern is whether that this little kink might cause problems with passing eggs? Have any of you ever bred a kinked female corn? Do they have any trouble passing their eggs around the kinked area? Would this snake probably do okay? Let me know what you think.

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I am not an expert but she has lovely colours.

As to the kink thing - personally I would take the risk - because it might be that it grows out as she gets older - in which case she'd be ok to breed from anyway - and given her colours it might be worth keeping her anyway and trying to breed from her.

Now, before people start yowling, I am in no way advocating cruelty to such a lovely animal, I just think its worth the try, and if she does develop problems then it can be dealt with with careful monitoring. It doesnt look like there is a major compression or narrowing at that site and so long as the skin there is as flexible and she defecates ok I should imagine there is a fair chance she would lay fine...

Its really a personal choice - people can advise you on here (and they will, whether you want the advice and/or personal abuse or not) but in the end its up to you what you do.

You also may want to think about this - you will not get top price on her for a pet snake as she has this problem at the moment (whether or not it grows out later) so why not have her as a keeper and see what happens?

Just my $0.02

JemmaUK said:

I am not an expert but she has lovely colours.

As to the kink thing - personally I would take the risk - because it might be that it grows out as she gets older - in which case she'd be ok to breed from anyway - and given her colours it might be worth keeping her anyway and trying to breed from her.

Now, before people start yowling, I am in no way advocating cruelty to such a lovely animal, I just think its worth the try, and if she does develop problems then it can be dealt with with careful monitoring. It doesnt look like there is a major compression or narrowing at that site and so long as the skin there is as flexible and she defecates ok I should imagine there is a fair chance she would lay fine...

Its really a personal choice - people can advise you on here (and they will, whether you want the advice and/or personal abuse or not) but in the end its up to you what you do.

You also may want to think about this - you will not get top price on her for a pet snake as she has this problem at the moment (whether or not it grows out later) so why not have her as a keeper and see what happens?

Just my $0.02

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You are right, it is up to the owner to do with the animal what they wish. But, and I am referring to the bold text in your quote, the OP did ask for advise on here. When you ask for advice, whether it be here or any where, you should be prepared to hear the good the bad and the ugly. In most cases people already have their mind made up on what they want to do anyway. They just need some one else to confirm what they thought so it justifies their decision.

As for what I would do with that snake, wait it out 3 yrs and decide then. If the kink is still there, I would not breed her due to the fact that as the eggs develop and depending on their size, she could become egg-bound or suffer other issues. If the kink dissipates then I would possibly breed it due to it was most likely caused by an incubation problem.

bekers71 said:

You are right, it is up to the owner to do with the animal what they wish. But, and I am referring to the bold text in your quote, the OP did ask for advise on here. When you ask for advice, whether it be here or any where, you should be prepared to hear the good the bad and the ugly. In most cases people already have their mind made up on what they want to do anyway. They just need some one else to confirm what they thought so it justifies their decision.

As for what I would do with that snake, wait it out 3 yrs and decide then. If the kink is still there, I would not breed her due to the fact that as the eggs develop and depending on their size, she could become egg-bound or suffer other issues. If the kink dissipates then I would possibly breed it due to it was most likely caused by an incubation problem.

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My personal experience of this site is that there is sadly a high percentage of UPA to good advice. On other sites regarding other subjects this is not the case. A case in point, alot of people on another site I am on know about my health situation and the personal losses I have had in the last 2 years. I wouldnt dream of discussing that with anyone on here, period. Sadly that includes even people I have respect for, of which you yourself are one.

Oddly enough we pretty much agree it seems - it being a dependence on whether the snake 'recovers' - but even so I would be loathe to get rid of such a pretty snake even if she turns out to be a pet rather than a breeder in eventuality.

Im actually surprised there isnt more information on the subject of neonate kinks and what happens as the animal develops - I guess it depends on the causation behind it all in all.

I have a wee kinky lady too, Fetish. She was horribly kinked as a baby and a non feeder. So I took on the gimpy wee soul and gave her a chance.





I got her feeding reguarly and her kink disapeared. Which is strange because that was HUGE! But she is over 2 years old and is just booootiful. I wouldn't dream of breeding her, not with her history of feeding and spinal problems.

My kinked snake ended up dieing. The kink was closer to the neck and developed as he grew, we didn't notice he even had it when we got him. He was a good eater, but he had other problems with balance and he wasn't very bright. If your kinked snake grows out the kink and has no other problems then the call is up to you. I see no reason against keeping her for a year or two and selling her as a pet if the kink is a spinal deformity.

Wendy, I don't have great advice as I am far from an expert. But I would say that if you choose not to breed her, make sure she goes to a home of someone you can rely on not to breed her either, like a friend or someone here. If your judgement indicates egg laying might be hazardous to her (I haven't enough knowledge to comment on that) it's safer to put her into a pet home that you can be sure will stay a purely pet situation.

Good luck with her!

Hey, this thread is false advertising. Seriously, waiting it out sounds like a good idea to me. Nice looking little girl.

JemmaUK said:

My personal experience of this site is that there is sadly a high percentage of UPA to good advice. On other sites regarding other subjects this is not the case.

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I am sorry, I have been on this site for the same length of time as you Jemma and that is not the case. This place has been wonderful.

arrowhd said:

Hey, this thread is false advertising. Seriously, waiting it out sounds like a good idea to me. Nice looking little girl.

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I concur completely.

Personally, I'd not risk breeding her. I've got a kinked keeper, Scout, from last year, she's a lovely dark granite het hypo. Her diffusion is much better than my breeder granite female. I lost every single hatchling from 3 clutches last year, most were DIE, some were terribly kinked and died during pipping and I euthanised this poor thing.
Scout's kink hasn't stopped her eating, pooping and shedding. I have her out for supervised slithering in the open to give her the chance to stretch out and exercise. I just couldn't risk her to egg-binding if I bred her. I'm aware that she may well ovulate when she's an adult, become bound with slugs she can't pass.. but at least if that does cause her problems I'll know I haven't directly caused her to suffer through breeding her. So she's a pet and I'll never breed her.
This is just my opinion. I really believe the kink was caused by temperature spikes because all 3 unrelated clutches were affected, but even if I knew 100% Scout has no chance of producing kinked babies due to genetics I still couldn't deliberately expose her to the rigours and risks of breeding.

WHAT DOES YOUR HERP VET SAY?

Devon

Pal-O-Mine said:

WHAT DOES YOUR HERP VET SAY?

Devon

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I don't see any reason to take her to a herp vet. She's a brand new baby and doesn't seem to be sick.

Thank you for all of your replies. It was good to see a picture of a snake whose kink actually did go away on its own. I have decided that I am definitely going to keep Kinky Girl and will watch how she progresses over time. I am curious to see if that little kink will go away.

I was hoping I would hear from someone whose kinked snake had laid eggs; fertile or not. From my experience and what I have read numerous times, fertile eggs are actually easier to pass than slugs, and slugs are usually the ones involved with eggbinding problems. I have had numerous virgin girls lay slugs for me, and Kinky Girl could vey well do that also. So, in that sese, I wonder if NOT breeding her could actually be riskier than breeding her intentionally. Maybe little kinks wouldn't even be issue. It's hard to know, but at this point I will just keep her, wait, watch and make a decision about breeding in another three years.

I will probably also be starting a Kinky Girl progression thread for her, so that everyone can see how she progresses and whether the kink resolves or ever causes any issues for her. She has just had her first shed, and I will soon find out if she is going to be a good feeder. Here she is after her first shed:

She sure is purdy!!!

Is it wrong that when I read "kinky girl" I thought of a female snake with a kink? It wasn't until I read now that I got your attention that I realized what I should have been thinking...

Yvette said:

Is it wrong that when I read "kinky girl" I thought of a female snake with a kink? It wasn't until I read now that I got your attention that I realized what I should have been thinking...

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Yvette, that was my first thought too, and THEN I realized the other interpretation.

Yvette said:

Is it wrong that when I read "kinky girl" I thought of a female snake with a kink? It wasn't until I read now that I got your attention that I realized what I should have been thinking...

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And your thinking was right on! The double meaning thing just occurred to me when I was trying to think of a creative title for the thread. I was just being kind of corny!