Dreamsnake
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Reason #6 of why you shouldn't cohab snakes: New snakes should go through an intense quarantine period so as not to spread infections, mites, and parasites. I bring this up once more only because this should be on the list.
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2 snakes, 1 cage?
- Thread starter cornsnakenewbie
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vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
No, Patches. It is not all about you. Srsly.
We are doing the kind, gentle, wise, older-brother-ly thing. We are trying to help out the OP (cornsnakenewbie)...by hoisting this trainwreck back up on the tracks so that some good may yet come of this thread.
With a little humor.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Definately, sorry I forgot that one!
I have a quarantine room on a whole different floor of the house than my snakeroom. And the quarantine period should be at least 3 months to rule out crypto.
susang
New member
Actually I think they may be commiserating, but hey I've been wrong before.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
In a nutshell, if you will, Patchy accused me (and others like me) of being a crazy cat lady. Eric was reminding me that we have seen far nuttier people than me come and go around here. And of course that had me spew my cola in fits of laughter!
Dreamsnake
New member
No problem. I quarantined mine for 6 months to be completely safe.
So when is one over the smart-ass threshold and into dumb-ass territory?
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
That is a very good question, although there are stellar examples that could be classified as a smart-ass and a dumb-ass simutaneously!!
susang
New member
You forgot 'bleeding heart crazy cat/rat lady'. See it's the' bleeding heart' part that makes us commiserators and not gloaters.
Beth don't you know cola will ruin your keyboard, oops 'bleeding heart keyboard protector here' sorry spew all you want.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Hey, I may be commiting cruelty to keyboards, but at least they can't suffer like a co habbed snake!!
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
OMG!!!
You are killing me, Susan!
She'll be here all week, folks. This comedy club requires a three drink minimum.
susang
New member
Oh! my we are way beyond that territory. We're in the noassatall or even the poor OP is afraid to look territory.
Eric I'm on drink two.
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
I don't swat at 'em unless they are both at the same time.
The two separately,.......I can work with.
Allalaskan
The Crazy Alaskan
After reading all of this, I think you need to learn when to step back and just laugh at a situation and call it quits. Your obviously not getting any where in this one.
patches152
New member
you're right, even though they were provided quotes from one of their own "experts" showing examples in conflict with their views, their absolute posture has not wavered.
bitsy
Owned by Corns since 1991
Here's another:
"These potential problems* can be avoided by housing your Corns singly to lead a solitary lifestyle as they would in nature."
*Listed as: Immature females breeding, increased stress to the snakes, one snake being dominant over the other, loss of appetite due to stress, cannibalism, aggression, transmission of health problems, inability to track routine events such as shedding.
Source: Kathy Love and Bill Love, 2005. Corn Snakes: The Comprehensive Owner's Guide. Pages 39-41.
It doesn't sound like "our expert" is advocating cohabbing, does it? Perhaps I'm just misunderstanding. That list of risks is quite something to manage when you've only just bought your first Corn.
If you look at our Husbandry and Basic Care FAQ, there's a section from Kathy's FAQ regarding cohabbing. Here she takes more of a middle ground. While she says it's certainly not recommended for newly acquired snakes, she says it can be done successfully if certain conditions are met. She goes on to give instructions on how to do it. Interestingly, in the next section she talks about going against generally accepted practices as well.
The point was that a recognized expert in the field does not (at least in our own quote from her) say that it absolutely should not be done, but there are certain circumstances when it can be successful. I previously mentioned this because I thought it was an interesting counterbalance to the hard-line positions we sometimes see here.
The point was that a recognized expert in the field does not (at least in our own quote from her) say that it absolutely should not be done, but there are certain circumstances when it can be successful. I previously mentioned this because I thought it was an interesting counterbalance to the hard-line positions we sometimes see here.
patches152
New member
bitsy
Owned by Corns since 1991
The comment about Kathy's stance supports what I've pointed out from her book.
In neither the FAQ or the book, is cohabbing advocated or put forward as a positive thing. No pros are given to cohabbing - only cons. There are risks and they are described at length in both places. As Kathy points out, these risks don't exist if Corns live singly. However, the risks are certainly the owner's to take.
Should we be asking: What are the benefits of cohabbing to the Corns? The best outcome you can hope for, is that they learn to ignore each other.
In neither the FAQ or the book, is cohabbing advocated or put forward as a positive thing. No pros are given to cohabbing - only cons. There are risks and they are described at length in both places. As Kathy points out, these risks don't exist if Corns live singly. However, the risks are certainly the owner's to take.
Should we be asking: What are the benefits of cohabbing to the Corns? The best outcome you can hope for, is that they learn to ignore each other.
patches152
New member
And I agree about the risks being the owners to take. I'm not saying that every opportunity to cohab will never bring along issues. I realize the risks. My main point this whole time has been to counter this absolute stance that people have taken. Same stance that's been taken on live feeding and other topics.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
What we have here are animals, living breathing things, that rely on their owners to do the right thing for them.
When their owners KNOWINGLY put them in a position that "might" harm them and tell other people new to owning these animals that there is no problem with it, well I have a problem with that.
And when these owners who know the risks do it anyway, that is cruelty pure and simple. Call it whatever you want, but it is cruelty.
If co habbed snakes kill or injure each other, it doesn't hurt the owner at all. But it does hurt the animals whose owner failed them.
And on the subject of stress, stress is for the most part invisible. Regurges, failure to thrive, refusing to eat are merely symptoms of stress.
Unless you know your snakes inside and out, and watch how they behave 24/7 for weeks (and that means staying up all night and watching them when they are active), then you really have no clue whether they are stressed or not.
When their owners KNOWINGLY put them in a position that "might" harm them and tell other people new to owning these animals that there is no problem with it, well I have a problem with that.
And when these owners who know the risks do it anyway, that is cruelty pure and simple. Call it whatever you want, but it is cruelty.
If co habbed snakes kill or injure each other, it doesn't hurt the owner at all. But it does hurt the animals whose owner failed them.
And on the subject of stress, stress is for the most part invisible. Regurges, failure to thrive, refusing to eat are merely symptoms of stress.
Unless you know your snakes inside and out, and watch how they behave 24/7 for weeks (and that means staying up all night and watching them when they are active), then you really have no clue whether they are stressed or not.