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a few questions

corncrest64

corncrest64

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I recently purchased a blizzard female and anery male, but born in 02'. I am planning on breeding them this coming spring, so I'm curious on a few things. The person I got them from said they had bred them this year, and that they had produced aneries and charcoals. Is this possible in any other way than them being het for them(that is, the blizzard het anery and the anery het charcoal)? Are Charcoal (which I believe is called anery B) and Anery A similar enough that they can produce each other without being het if given a situation where one of the parents can definately produce them? He did not know if they were het for anything else. Also, would the offspring then be het or possible het for blizzard, or charcoal and amel, and anery?
 
Well blizzards are a combination of amelanistic and charcoal so its homo for both.
The anery would have to be het charcoal for them to produce charcoals.

Anerys not het for this trait cannot produce charcoals as its a completely different gene structure...

If you bred them knowing this male was anery het charcoal x fem blizzard (no known hers) you would get:

50% charcoals het blizzard and 50% het blizzard, het anery...

However only breeding trials will tell. If anything else pops up in the clutch then the female must have hets...
 
The original AneryB procured by the Loves was het for AneryA, so the AneryA offspring aren't surprising. And I guess if these were someone's project snakes, having the anery het for charcoal isn't that surprising either. I'd love to see photos of the offspring. What IS surprising is that the anery isn't het for amel. Seems like almost every corn in captivity is het for that. :)
 
Roy Munson said:
The original AneryB procured by the Loves was het for AneryA, so the AneryA offspring aren't surprising. And I guess if these were someone's project snakes, having the anery het for charcoal isn't that surprising either. I'd love to see photos of the offspring. What IS surprising is that the anery isn't het for amel. Seems like almost every corn in captivity is het for that. :)
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I noticed that! Nothing is het for nothing these days which is quite sad really :(
 
Tula_Montage said:
I noticed that! Nothing is het for nothing these days which is quite sad really :(
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I don't think it's sad. We tend to concentrate on color and pattern genes, but think of all the other genes. EVERY corn snake, wild or captive, is het for a large number of mutant genes. Most are probably homozygous for a large number of them too, but you can't see the one that makes the snake's kidney 5% larger, or the one that decreases auto-immune response...
 
Roy Munson said:
I don't think it's sad. We tend to concentrate on color and pattern genes, but think of all the other genes. EVERY corn snake, wild or captive, is het for a large number of mutant genes. Most are probably homozygous for a large number of them too, but you can't see the one that makes the snake's kidney 5% larger, or the one that decreases auto-immune response...
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Hmm I never thought of it that way... I suppose you are right in that respect.

But there really are far too many corns het for amel!! LOL
 
Tula_Montage said:
Hmm I never thought of it that way... I suppose you are right in that respect.
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Hah! When you're a "wise old monkey", you'll think of these things. ;)

But there really are far too many corns het for amel!! LOL
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:laugh: I reckon so. It would be cooler if all the het amels could be het for diffused too...
 
Roy Munson said:
Seems like almost every corn in captivity is het for that. :)
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:-offtopic I really hope so cause my okeetee lady is NOT het for anery and NOT het for hypo so I expect here to be het for amel at least....
 
Roy Munson said:
Hah! When you're a "wise old monkey", you'll think of these things. ;)

:laughs: I reckon so. It would be cooler if all the het amels could be het for diffused too...
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diffuzled orange things... gorgelous... Wise old monkeys think alike LOL

Maybe ill the not so wise marmazet though LOL
 
Blutengel said:
:-offtopic I really hope so cause my okeetee lady is NOT het for anery and NOT het for hypo so I expect here to be het for amel at least....
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I dunno... maybe she's het for the 5% larger kidney. :grin01:
 
If my anery was het amel then I would be getting blizzards right? That would be nice, I wish he was. We'll see what we get. If I get charcoals, I'd love to hold some back and breed them. Thats what I had planned on doing. Thanks for the help.
 
corncrest64 said:
If my anery was het amel then I would be getting blizzards right? That would be nice, I wish he was. We'll see what we get. If I get charcoals, I'd love to hold some back and breed them. Thats what I had planned on doing. Thanks for the help.
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If your blizzard is het anery, and your anery is het for charcoal and amel, then statistically you should have 25% blizzards in a clutch. Half of those would be anery-blizzards. I don't know what that would look like, or if you could distinguish them from the snows that are statistically as likely to appear. :shrugs:
 
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