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Amber or Golddust?

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Steve C

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The lighter color male looks to be an ultra caramel/Golddust. Has red pupils. What about the darker colored female? Regular amber or golddust? She appears to have black pupils.
 

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What were the breeding parents, homo/hets??

It appears it's possible you are showing a Ultra Caramel & a Ultramel Caramel.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
Dave, thanks for the link. Confusing for sure. Walter, unfortunately i picked these up from a shop, so i do not know what the parents were. The lighter one was labeled "amber." They picked them up i believe from the Daytona show. Anything to look for as they get older? And is a gold dust/ ultra caramel the same thing? Much appreciated guys?
 
Steve C said:
Dave, thanks for the link. Confusing for sure. Walter, unfortunately i picked these up from a shop, so i do not know what the parents were. The lighter one was labeled "amber." They picked them up i believe from the Daytona show. Anything to look for as they get older? And is a gold dust/ ultra caramel the same thing? Much appreciated guys?
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No, a Ultramel Caramel is a Golddust. There is no trade name for a Ultra Caramel..........that I know of anyway.
Not knowing exactly what the parents were, the only way to know for sure what they are is test breeding.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
Ultramels

They both can be Goldusts,alot of people think the darker ones are sometimes Ultra but thats not always the case
 
Interesting. So my darker female with the black pupil is either a ultra caramel or hypo caramel "regular amber,"and the red pupil male is either a ultramel caramel or ultra caramel?
 
Steve C said:
Interesting. So my darker female with the black pupil is either a ultra caramel or hypo caramel "regular amber,"and the red pupil male is either a ultramel caramel or ultra caramel?
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Steve,
the darker one with the black pupil could be either a Amber or Ultra Caramel. The lighter colored one with the ruby colored pupil is more than likely a Golddust.
However, if those are siblings and Hypo is in the line, the lighter one could actually be a Hypo Golddust, but you will not know for sure unless breeding trials are done.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
There is no trade name for a Ultra Caramel..........that I know of anyway.
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Walt, this is an issue that's been bugging me for a while. I find it bothersome that a lot of people call ultra caramels and ultramel caramels "golddusts". It drives me nuts, as one has three genetic mutations and the other, two! I was going to start calling ultra caramels "goldbar" corn snakes. If a single ultra gene adds a "dusting" then lets let a double helping of the ultra gene be a lot more gold! So, as far as I'm concerned I'm going to start calling my ultra caramels (which I have six confirmed now) "goldbars".
 
Walter, much appreciated on the help with identification of my snakes. I kind of have an understanding of corn morphs, or at least the simpler ones. But I have to admit, the ultra and ultramel I hadn't a clue. Now I have a little better understanding.
 
Steve C said:
Walter, much appreciated on the help with identification of my snakes. I kind of have an understanding of corn morphs, or at least the simpler ones. But I have to admit, the ultra and ultramel I hadn't a clue. Now I have a little better understanding.
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You are welcome Steve.
The Ultra gene acts as a co-dominte trait when combined with the Amel gene and here are the expected outcome of breedings using these genes:

AMEL x ULTRAMEL
50% Amel / 50% Ultramel

AMEL x ULTRA
100% Ultramel

ULTRA x ULTRAMEL
50% Ultra / 50% Ultramel

ULTRAMEL x ULTRAMEL
25% Amel / 25% Ultra / 50% Ultramel

ULTRA x ULTRA
100% Ultra

Hope this helps you as well.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
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