Amber Stripe corn snake

[morphman]

I posted some pictures of these awhile back and figured I would
post some new ones.

The photo's are decent but ya' gotta see them in real life to really appreciate them.

I can hardly wait to see what they will look like at @24".
I'm gonna guess that they will resemble slithering blocks of gold.
The pattern is fadeing FAST!

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, like the ambers.
Crossing it with stripe and motley is just an bonus to the eye.

Thanks for taking a look!
Geoff Stricker

Also, I'm looking for corns carrying or expressing the amber and motley pheno's.
The motley line that I have ( as far as breeding age normal motley) isn't the best as far as inherent breeding gene's.

So, if anyone has a proven strong line (ie. healty babies, good regaining of weight, large size, GOOD FERTITLITY!) of this cross........let me know!

 

[morphman]

another one

above I ment genome (sp?) not pheno
Ya'll know what I mean
I'd probably take a amber motley if someone had one for sale or trade though.

 

[morphman]

and another

awsome

 

[SODERBERGD]

Caramel Vs amber. . . .

I'm not questioning what you have there. More important to me is being able to ask someone about this line. As you know, there are few of them out there.

When I first got mine (just have one and bought it from someone else), I was calling it a striped amber. It was so light. Now that it's maturing, it has more of that butterscotch coloration that makes me wonder if it's a caramel or worse, just an F-1 product of a caramel variation. If you know yours came from two animals that were amber, then we can presume it's amber, but if it came from other caramel variations, it might just be caramel. The striping and motley mechanisms tend to soften or lighten colors by reducing melanin. Therefore, I'd have expected mine (and yours) to be very yellow like most ambers. Since mine is not yellow now that it's maturing, I suspect it's at best a caramel and at least het. for caramel. Anyway, just wondering if you knew the background of the two parents of yours. in addition to or in lieu of responding to this post, please email me personally at [email protected] so we can discuss potential promoting of these. I have some that are het. for these traits that might interest you. If I could figure out why I can't attach images to these posts, I'd show you the one I have. I feel so stupid when it comes to computer stuff. Arghhhh!

Thanks,

Don
www.cornsnake.NET

 

[Edmund]

That snake looks great! I really like him.

Why is it motley and/or stripe butters are more common than amber or caramel ones?

Thanks

 

[Serpwidgets]

Here's a sample pic: Caramel Motley and Amber (2002 hand-picked from SerpenCo's table) and a Butter in the background.

BTW I'm planning to breed these two (Amber X CarMot het amel) in 2005. This will hatch Caramels het Hypo/Motley (het "amber motley") and possible het amel. Obviously, I have no idea yet what kind of eaters/growers the hatchlings will be.

 

[Amanda E]

Beautiful Serp!

I cannot wait until this summer to see if I will hatch out any caramels or ambers from my newest additions.

I've loved the look of caramel mutations since I saw them in 2001, but until now I hadn't gotten anything that could create them.

Now I just gotta find a way to mix in some Motley/Stripe too without going through a ton of hets.

 

[ripper]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is an awsome little snake!!!!! I really need some snakes with pattern mutations.

Ripper

 

[SODERBERGD]

Striped whatever. . .

Here is the one I was referring to earlier.

 

[Kat]

Don, are they colors accurate in that pic? Because that snake doesn't even look caramel to me... it looks normal...

-Kat

 

[Rich Z]

Actually all of the Caramel Stripes that have come from my Butter Stripe project are very light in color. This is much the same as I have seen in many of my Caramel Motleys.

I produced several Amber Motleys this past year, but I'm not all that excited about them. I think when they reach adulthood they will be pretty much what I am seeing with those very light colored Caramel Motleys. The Amber Motleys are definitely lighter in color as babies than the Caramel Motleys, but I'm not sure that is going to hold true as full adults.

Now the Amber Motleys from Mike Shiver's stock that originated from the Ultra Hypo line are a different story. Definitely a different look about them. I can't wait to breed them into my regular Amber Motleys so I can pull all the rest of my hair out when I begin getting that second generation from them. :crying:

 

[SODERBERGD]

earlier image. . .

Here is a shot of that snake six months earlier. It's asleep now, but when it wakes up, I'll get a recent image of him.

 

[rolph1414]

Nice,,,i have two striped corns myself and I luv the colors

 

[Serpwidgets]

I'm no expert on caramels by any means, but it doesn't look like a caramel from here either, Don.

 

[Kat]

What it DOES look like, is a normal het caramel. Your snake's colors look very similar to a normal dh amber that I hatched out...
I'd wager if you bred it to a caramel, you'd get roughly 50-50 results.

Again, sometimes pictures can distort colors a little bit, so only people who've seen the snake in person can be certain what color it is, but from here... I'd say no on homozygous from caramel.

-Kat

 

[SODERBERGD]

You're probably right. . .

Shows ya that no-one is immune to misidentification and representation.

I'll letcha know what happens when I breed it to a butter this year.

Don

 

[morphman]

Lineage

I have been getting the amber stripes from hypo's het stripe and caramel.
They ALMOST have to be hypo.

I also had hypo's, hypo stripes and ambers that came from the same clutch. When one of these pokes it's head out of the egg, you can tell it is something different!

There is a BIG difference between the hypo stripes and what I'm pretty sure is the amber stripe.

The original cross was done with a female caramel from Rich and a male hypo stripe from Mark Bell.
It was a pleasent surprise when the babies from this clutch hatched and about half of them were hypo.
The female caramel was het hypo!

The hypo double hets look like they have a miami phase contrast to them. This may have also influenced the pattern of the babies.

I'll post some more pictures when they get a little older.

Don,

As for the snake you have...........???
It looks a little on the light colored side to be a plain stripe.
My guess is it is a caramel stripe.
Looking at the head it looks caramel to me.
As for the hypo aspect, as ya know hypo is fustratingly variable!?
It doesn't look to be a hypo stripe as they are usually more of a red color.

Thanks,
Geoff

 

[Rich Z]

Caramel Stripe

This one is definitely a Caramel Stripe. The parentage it came from has NO history of any Hypos of anything ever coming out of it. As you can see, even for a yearling, this animal is very lightly colored for a Caramel, and certainly many people would easily mistake it for an Amber Stripe.

This is exactly the same sort of thing I have been seeing in some of the Caramel Motleys. Some are just substantially lighter looking than others.

(Yeah, I know.... Suppose there is another line of Hypo floating around in that gene pool? Sorry I don't even want to THINK about that thought.)

Don - I'm certain that what you have a photo of is a regular normal colored Stripe. I have gotten some from by Caramel/Butter Stripe project that varied quite a bit, from almost purple looking babies to Miami Phase looking Stripes.

 

[pewter]

i wouldn´t call Don´s snake normal.
that one really looks like beeing het. for caramel