An anery discussion.

[Yantzie]

Okay today I was reading some of my older posts because of some questions that I was pondering and I realized that I still have some questions yet unanswered. Is anyone producing very high contrast anerys? and when I say high contrast I mean a white background with a very black (not brown) boarder saddle with grey or white center to it? I used the term anery okeetee before but that term has since been rejected (i still think that if the name anery okeetee can be rejected reverse okeetee should be too) but anyway I would like to see a line that is specific to contrast and breeding true for blackness and lack of yellow. does anyone specialize in anery like they do other morphs? or does everyone that produces them do so as by product of their other projects?

 

[diamondlil]

And if there are any of these high-contrast anerys, where are they?! That look in a cleanly marked snake would be amazing to see

 

[Yantzie]

The reason that I ask this is because I find it hard to find a mate for my anery female pictured here.(don't tell my other snakes but she is my favorite) She falls into the catagory im talking about.

 

[Mary-Beth]

This has been discussed before. I think people were using the name "Oreo" for the project. It'd be a hard project though. You'd have to raise all the hatchlings to young adults just to be able to select keepers with the look you want.

 

[diamondlil]

Woah, Yantzie! I'm sure you posted pictures of that snake before, she is stunning. I know all these newer morphs such as lavenders/golddusts/hypo peach-punnett-square-madness get people all worked up, but for me that is a look that would be surely the pride of any owner. I know anery is one of the more common morphs, but not all aneries are equal- yours is one of the best imo

 

[Yantzie]

So does anyone else have an anery that falls into this catagory? or maybe your breeding them? anyone wanna put their two cents worth in?

 

[desertanimal]

My two cents is that yours is indeed a nice looking anery, and if someone were to go to the trouble of producing them, people would buy them. I'd sure buy one! However, people (myself included) probably wouldn't be willing to spend much more on them than on a regular anery. Candy canes and sunglows don't go for all that much more than plain old amels, right? So maybe it wouldn't be worth it because you'd need to grow the babies up for a while to select breeders. But on the other hand, if it's something you really like the look of and no one else is doing it, go for it! Everyone has his or her opinion of the ideal anery, and almost none of us actually has one!

 

[xXMetalsAngelXx]

I haven't found many to be honest but I know how you feel, I would love to have a anery with no yellow. But not many people are breeding for that when there's morphs such as the z morph that are going at high prices. I've wondered about your question too and it was a good one.

Your girl is beyond stunning!! give her some loves for me because she certainly is a beautiful anery and if I ever find a male I will send something ur way =)

 

[Weebonilass]

I love the anerys and think it's a shame that breeders don't appreciate them like they use too. I think your lovely little one is a lot prettier than most of the lavs and bloodreds that go for so much more :sidestep:


I almost bought an anery motley that looked like it might stay black and the background was really light, but someone else had already paid for it, just hadn't picked it up yet... dang it

 

[Joejr14]

The problem is that young anerys have good contrast, but yellows come in with age and the contrast seems to disappear.

Just how long are you willing to hold an entire clutch of hatchlings back? A year? Two years? Do you have the space to be holding back 30 anerys a year?

And on top of that, the gain from doing such a thing would be minimal. What are you going to sell an oreo corn for? $30?

 

[Weebonilass]

Ahh but Joe, IMVHO, it's the breeder who sets the price. Actually it's that way in everything...

But, if the breeders felt a lovely anery was worth $50, the public would think it would be too.. but they are off to the newest morph and the established ones go by the wayside.

People see a $100 or $400 price tag and that's the one they want to have because that must be extra special.

Personally, I couldn't hold onto 30 a year, but then again are their normally 30 high contrast anerys in a clutch? A future breeder question there

 

[Roy Munson]

I agree with the others who've posted that your return on this project would be minimal. And if you're going for the "anery Okeetee" look you describe, this female may not be the best foundation for the project either (saddles are solid; no frosting). However, if you're passionate about producing snakes that look like your female, your best bet would be to get a male from the same lines from the same breeder. If that's not possible, then scour the ads for adult and sub-adult anerys that fit what you're looking for. This may take some time. It may not hurt to post this photo in the "Corn Snakes Wanted" section, and ask if anyone has a similar looking male that they'd be willing to let go.

She is a nice anery. Good luck.

 

[Roy Munson]

But, if the breeders felt a lovely anery was worth $50, the public would think it would be too.. but they are off to the newest morph and the established ones go by the wayside.

People see a $100 or $400 price tag and that's the one they want to have because that must be extra special.

That's not quite the way it works, in my opinion. It really is all supply and demand. The "Z" gene is still very uncommon. So if you want one, you'll pay $1,000. And yes, it's extra special-- because it's rare! The combination of certain genes is uncommon, so you'll pay more for those combo morphs. The anery gene is VERY common, and no one's going to pay $100 for the most promising anery hatchling you can find. Normal corns are even more common, so even the most exceptional Okeetee hatchling in the world will probably not sell for $100.

And no one's leaving anery by the wayside. It's always being combined with the newest genes as they're discovered (to produce expensive combo morphs).

 

[Weebonilass]

Sooooooooooooooo there... glancing at picture of snake's tongue I'd give you some rep but I must spread it around some more first

Soooooo... if a person was looking for an anery to try for an Anery Okee type morph, they would want individuals that have frosting in the saddles and borders as wide as they could find?

 

[Shade]

I gladly payed 70 dollars for my high-contrast Anery. I think they're sooo much nicer looking than all of the other fancy morphs, especially the ones with a lot of red (aside from Okee's)

Anery's will always be my favorite morph.

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

We were thinking the same thing about an "Anery Okeetee". Meaning the "Okeetee" is truly based on the snakes outward appearance and not for being a locality corn. Our Anery is different then others we have seen. His base color is your normal grey anery background but his saddles have strong thick black borders and very light washed out centers that keep getting better with each shed. Something like this would have to be totally based on a couple years of line breeding to hopefully achieve the look you are going for. We think it would be a very nice snake to have the very white background of your Anery mixed with the saddles of ours. We think that if you had the time, space and energy to try this the demand for them would be good and with no doubt be very striking animals but who could say what the value of them would be. Here is our candidate....... "Krypto" 1.0 Anery 66% het Motley (Zach Shepard - SerpentPets)

Jay & PJ

 

[Weebonilass]

ooooooooooooooooo, he's gorgeous! Got any more like that at home?

 

[Rich Z]

Well the best examples of a pretty black on white (or close enough) Anerythristic were ones that came from a project where I bred Caramel (Butter) with Anerythrism. The original project was to hopefully produce yellow animals with black blotches on them. Failed miserably, as the Anerythristics lacked any yellow whatsoever.

Unfortunately, I didn't keep any of that project when I saw how miserably I had failed at what I had wanted.

 

[jaxom1957]

The reason that I ask this is because I find it hard to find a mate for my anery female pictured here.(don't tell my other snakes but she is my favorite) She falls into the catagory im talking about.

I think reinforcing the anery is the least important part of the equation. I would breed her to the highest contrast Miami male you can find (het anery would be a bonus, but not strictly necessary). Hold back the most promising babies, at least one male to breed back to mom. Selectively breeding to maintain the light background color will get you where you are going faster than breeding for anery. Talk to Carol, the Queen of Miami. She might have a male that would fit your needs.

 

[Yantzie]

This female is from miami lines she may even be het hypo, I bought her from a local breeder who had her and a bunch of crimsons. I might try the miami thing and see how that works out....so much time and so little to do. lol